I guess I'm glad I was never a big Twat, so Bluesky wasn't a place of refuge for me the way Lemmy was when Reddit went off the rails.

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[–] 157 points 5 months ago (8 children)

If I had a nickel for every time a corpo CEO who founded a microblogging social media platform stepped down to pursue even shittier corpo endeavors, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    The irony is that Doofenshmirtz is pretty good standin for an out of touch corpo CEO

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Even Doofenshmirtz wouldn't stoop so low.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    In one of the Season 5 episodes, Doof runs a gym as a front to get people to power his building, so he's not too far off...

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  • [–] 138 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Everything was pointing Mastodon until Bluesky came. And guess what? Turns out the problem is and always has been corporations and centralized ownership.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    Mastodon has shit branding and I'm not afraid to say it.

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    In general, I'd say the fediverse as a whole has shit branding and is probably a bit too confusing and/or too much initial setup work for the average inertnet user.

    But I'm glad it's like that, to a degree, because it helps lower the amount of people overwhelming places like here with all the people who would gladly allow the place to be overrun by ads and corporate astroturfing.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    The barrier to entry acts as a filter. Which is crazy to me, because it’s still so easy to sign up and conceptualize, imo.

    I guess it just goes to show how accustomed people have become to uncanny and frankly insane levels of convenience.

    I remember the first time I logged in to Gmail without putting my password in — when all of a sudden the entire internet used cookies in lieu of credentials (is that how it works? I’m not qualified).

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I can absolutely understand that it's difficult to conceptualise. For someone who already understands, the concept is dead simple.

    But I still remember the confusion trying to join Mastodon all those years ago. You are shown a list of servers, huh? Never being introduced to the concept of federated social media, just being asked makes you feel like you don't belong because you don't understand what's happening.

    Ok, so you search around and work out that it's across many servers. You now have to somehow pick a server with no frame of reference. Pick randomly and hope you don't pick the lemmdgrad equivalent (which is always high on the list on join-lemmy.com BTW). Then you go to join and you have to apply - oh, but what if they don't want me? How do they know who I am, why would they approve my application?

    Each one of these things is a barrier to entry, they stack like swiss cheese so that very few people make it through.

    Then there's the part where all these people have friends that could help them through it, but the friends never mention the fediverse to them because of the whole don't talk about thing. I am guilty of this.

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    [–] 120 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Corporate owned entities will always enshitify.

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    [–] 60 points 5 months ago

    Oh damn. It's rotten all the way to the core.

    Oh wait. I'm on mastodon. The correct platform to have migrated to

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ok it's not BlueSky as in the BlueSky social media website. It's another separate tool they're developing.

    The title is very misleading.

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    [–] 40 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Bsky enhittified the day it was formed.
    The problem: Twitter is being centrally controlled, by one large corporation which can be corrupted.
    The solution: A new "company" with a "trusted board" instead of investors!
    Bsky is slowly becoming twitter because someone who thinks like businessman can't comprehend running a project without a company and a "trusted board" behind it, with capital from elsewhere fueling the whole thing. Jack Dorsey probably had good intentions, but he's just too near sighted (or not the right person) to create a viable alternative disconnected from the business minded framework a true open decentralized twitter replacement needed.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It's basically just Twitter in the early days, way before the Musk takeover. It will follow the same path eventually, as all VC funded tech

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Use mastodon and the fediverse

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

    Dude, not trying to throw shade at Mastodon, but where on Lemmy I get tons of interaction, on Pixelfed and Loops I get a solid amount and on Bluesky I get plenty in comments and some on my own posts...

    I have had ZERO ANYTHING on Mastodon, and the content I post is more or less the same as the others. The app looks sleek and upload quality is better than the others, but it feels like being shadowbanned on Meta... Photos, memes, text, political, personal, you name it, nothing.

    I make a point to use each of these apps once a day. No one is reciprocating anything on Mastodon. Again, it feels like being shadowbanned. I honestly hate it at this point. I'm trying to engage with those people and they're giving me nothing.

    Maybe it's literally a technical issue, no joke. Or maybe I'm like the old lady in the "If my phone isn't broken then why don't my relatives call me?" story

    EDIT: I'm surprised to hear I'm not alone. I thought my little rant would get downvoted. Well, dang! We need to fix Mastodon then!

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    [–] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    How it feels to be vindicated for not trusting/buying-in to a new fad

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago

    Jay Graber is not CEO anymore, but that doesn't mean she hasn't been busy.

    Valorizing CEOs is for idiots and suckers.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The bluesky rise kinda pissed me off. More so because all my artist friends that were on twitter went to bluesky instead of Mastodon when I told them about it as an alternative. everyone collectively decided to ignore a system that already existed and to the centralized thing again. Big suprise.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Bluesky was easier to sign up and less confusing to use. It had a much better mobile app. A lot of pro newsies came to Mastodon and were roundly ejected and abused, so they up and went to Blurdky instead. That was a major shooting your own foot moment for Mastodon because those newsies would have brought engaged audience. I saw people celebrating at Mastodon when news reporters up and quit. Idiotic. I hope the Lemmy community doesn't repeat that mistake.

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    [–] 24 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    No surprise. Y'all are dumb if you think the point of all social media isn't to just make money.

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    For those curious it sounds like the app is an ai powered discovery tool, where you tell it what kinda stuff you like and it tries to find stuff from across bsky to show you based on your interests you told it about

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    With Attie, users apparently enter what are essentially chatbot prompts. The app will process whatever the user types, find posts they might be into across Bluesky and other atpro-friendly networks, and use that to customize their feed and overall experience.

    It sounds like a stupid app, but of everything going on, this is just not something I care about.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    As fake as it may sound, chief innovation officer is a real job title

    Oh wow, an AI feature that nobody asked for. Such innovation, much wow!

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    I knew it. Investors started pouring in, it was only a matter of time.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    took a role as chief innovation officer of the social media platform.

    Uhmmm.... chief what...?

    As fake as it may sound

    LOL exactly what I thought.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    From the article:

    New Bluesky CEO Toni Schneider told TechCrunch, “We’ve launched a lot of things inside Bluesky — Starter Packs and custom feeds, and all those kinds of things. This is a standalone product, and it’s the first one that’s built by Jay’s new team.” [emphasis added]

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    As long as it's open source and customizable, I don't see the problem with this.

    It's not bad that we have algorithms to find content. I'm sorting the comments of this thread with an algorithm

    The key is that I can choose which algorithm I want to sort by, that algorithm is open source, and I can write my own algorithm, if I want.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    At some point they are going to have to make money.

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    Social media in general don't need to. Atpor servers operators in general don't need to. But Bluesky does, because it's accountable in front of its investors. So yes, they do have to make money, and no, there is no solution that does not go with some level of enshittification. And then they'll get pressed to make more money, to grow their revenues every year. And it can only go down from there.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    It's funny, I bailed when they started doing age checks. It made my life better

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    ITT: headline readers that judge with their full weight on minimal information

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I really wonder if Mastodon would have done better with a nicer, more techy name. Also, it’s silly but the double @ usernames look worse than the AT proto usernames.

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