19% would be the complacent middle class 🤮

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[–] 76 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Complacent middle class, or rapidly shrinking and struggling to not fall further middle class?

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  • [–] 67 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, the issue here isn't the middle class, it's as usual, the owner class that's the problem

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The middle class is their tool. They are incented to perpetuate this bullshit.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I respectfully disagree. The middle class is not perfect, but the issue here is the ruling class

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    [–] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    The system is progressing as expected. The US is further ahead on the timeline. If they collapse first, that may trigger a systemic reset here, before we've reached their stage of fascist dystopia. Get your demands ready and demand more than people did during the 1930s. Much more.

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    19% would be the complacent middle class 🤮

    Hot tip - that's most Lemmy users. I'm guessing there's also people in the top 0.9 kicking around.

    Edit: Aaaand yup, there's cope in the comments.

    Socialists are mostly the champaign kind now, although that doesn't make them wrong, neccesarily. Honestly, I have trouble picturing the old days when the kind of people I live around would have voted left.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What qualifies as "middle class" these days? Roughly 24% of Ontario public sector workers are on the sunshine list. While this doesn't give us a ton of insight into the private sector, this would still suggest that if we say the 19% is the middle class that to be middle class you have to be making more than $100k/year...

    Not trying to argue, just trying to understand where the goalposts are.

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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Finally, the top 1 per cent hold almost a quarter of all wealth in Canada. A person in the top 1 per cent owns 210 times more wealth than an average person in the bottom 50 per cent.

    By contrast, the bottom 40 per cent collectively hold slightly more than 3 per cent of total wealth in Canada, each with an average net worth of just under $87,000.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    We should be dragging them from their homes and blessing them with the prayers of Saint Luigi. Nobody collects this much wealth in a fair or just system, one that also impoverishes workers so much it's causing a silent genocide of the working class.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They enacted strict gun laws but expanded which law enforcement can carry firearms for this purpose.

    They don't care about any mass shooting victim. They claim to remember the 14 of polytechnique just to make it look like it is.

    In reality gun laws in Canada were always about suppressing labor uprisings, sectarian uprisings (like the Irish in the 19th century, the Quebec bloc in the 1970s, and the Oka crisis in the 90s). Americans like to talk about taking up arms against the government but Canadians actually have.

    But on a more realistic note I wish it was that easy to just get a mob of people to drag them out. But unlike times past when it was possible, they live so far apart from us and travel via helicopter and airplane as much as possible specifically to be as hard as possible to corner.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    I recall reading the exact same thing for Mexico. Let me guess, this is pretty much the same for the entire planet.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    It is long overdue time to eat them.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    Complacent middle class here. I would gladly get taxed more if that meant improved health and education and welfare. Not super keen on keeping up the subsidies of oil and gas, and of spending 5% of GDP on American weapons. And yes, we need a wealth tax.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    HAVING RICH foreigners buying up all the houses isnt helping either, and the lack of stem jobs too .

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Their wealth needs to be seized and redistributed. They can still be obscenely wealthy, but they also need to forced in psychiatric programs since most of the uber wealthy families of the world have mental illness running through them.

    I suggest reading up on the Mars family (the people who own Mars candy bars and other confectionery). The story of their OCD in doing anything at all for more money and market share was terrifying.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    According to the World Inequality Index, between 1999 and 2024, the top-1% in Canada grew their wealth from 26% to 29%.

    In the same period in other countries, the top-1% changed their wealth:

    • in Australia and New Zealand, more or less unchanged at around 23%
    • in Europe, more or less unchanged around 25%
    • in the USA, grew from 31% to 35%
    • in China, grew from 19% to 30%
    • in Russia, grew from 40% to 49%
    • in Latin America, unchanged at around 36%
    • Oceania, grew from 24% to 27%
    • Sub-Saharan Africa, shrank from 38% to 34%

    Worldwide, the top-1% share was stable at around 37%.

    In the same period 1999-2024, the wealth of the bottom-50% in Canada slightly shrank from 15% to 14%. In other countries:

    • in Australia and New Zealand, more or less unchanged at around 5%
    • in Europe, more or less unchanged around 3%
    • in the USA, grew from 0.6% to 1%
    • in China, shrank from 14% to 6%
    • in Russia, shrank from almost 7% to less than 3%
    • in Latin America, unchanged at 2%
    • Oceania, decreased from 3% to 2%
    • Sub-Saharan Africa, slightly increased from below 2% to 2.1%

    Worldwide, the bottom-50% grew their share of the total wealth slightly from 7% to 8%.

    Source for the top 1%, here for the bottom 50%.

    You can play around in the linked diagrams for other countries and regions.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Geez China. So much for lifting a billion out of poverty.

    I mean, conditions have gotten better, but clearly there's gaps.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There is ample evidence that inequality is on the rise in China.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, and you just posted it. Did you think I was arguing?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    If you ever look at wealth and income data by quantiles, there is no middle class, it’s just exponentially increasing amount of wealth as you shift to higher quantities.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    A nation of renters and landlords.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    Canada's poor richest 1% nearly as poor as poorest 80% :((

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    No inheritance tax will do that.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    The argument against inheritance tax seems to be that we don't want to screw the inheritors out of the ability to own a family property or something, but it seems like it's be REALLY easy to draw a line and make it such that the estate is taxable if more than $X value is going to a single recipient and/or if the estate is valued in excess of $XY that it's taxable and/or if the recipients assets exceed $Z that entitlements exceeding $X are taxable. I'm sure there'd be a few edge cases that would miss the mark, but it seems like it would be a lot better than the current system of generational wealth building up with the new generations literally not needing to work a day in their lives and still pass on wealth to their kids.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They can't bring their money with them to hell

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