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  • A study shows Australians would rather take other actions to help the environment than give up meat.

  • Participants cite a lack of vegetarian options when dining out, despite Australia having more than ever, as a barrier to the diet.

  • Researchers hope the study will highlight reasons behind people's reluctance to reduce meat consumption.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most people aren’t going to voluntarily do anything that drastically changes their life. Big fuckin surprise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly I wouldn't consider this a drastic change to life considering how easy it is to do lmao. My best friend/roommate is vegan while I'm a meat eater. Wherenever she's home at dinner time I'll cook for both of and make sure it's something we can both eat so it's more often than not vegan meals. You know what's happened since? I've just gotten noticeably healthier lmao. I'll still eat meat on occasion (more often than not poultry), but if I never had it for the rest of my life I honestly wouldn't mind much.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is such a bullshit response. There are plenty of vegetarian options when eating out in Australia. And the more vegetarians there are, the more options restaurants will offer.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

City? Yeah, if you pay a fair whack or live near one of the buddhist or hindu country diaspora hubs. Out bush? Yeah, nah. There will be one menu item, maybe two if you include the garden salad as being a meal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

One of the few vegetarian meals I've been able to have back home is "& chips"

Sometimes we make it fancy and have potato cakes too, but there are only so many ways you can deep fry a potato before throwing up

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's true. I'm a city dweller and spoilt for choice. But I reckon if more people were asking for it out bush, the restaurants would update their menus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also depends on the city I imagine. I now describe myself as an "omnivore who prefers to not eat the animals" due to desperate times when going out...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Depends what you even call "city" really. Even in the most populated capital, things can get really dire in the outer suburban sprawl. Especially if they're mostly Anglo-european suburbs. Your choices start to be mostly "vegetarian burger using frozen gross patties" at the local bowling club or "pre-frozen falafel kebab". And the "don't add meat" option at the ubiquitous Chinese and Thai joints.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I guess it varies. There are vegetarian options at a lot of places, but I often find it's only one or two options.

It really depends on the venue of course. Some of my favourite places have tons of options, but most of my friends aren't interested in those. It also gets even harder when the few vegetarian options are often ruled out for you due to other dietary restrictions...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s exactly what bullet point 2 is saying.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

A study shows Australians would rather take other actions to help the environment than give up meat.

So exactly the same as polling on alternatives to the Voice. Australians want vague solutions to problems they pretend to care about, but when you propose actual solutions: crickets.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The list of options participants were given:

  • Eat less meat (50% reduction)
  • Stop eating meat
  • Avoid food products imported by plane
  • Use public transport
  • Recycle things more
  • Buy fewer new things
  • More energy from renewable sources

Some of it is a bit less actionable then "eat less meat", but they're still pretty concrete.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Nothing short of totally abolishing the capitalist mode of production can be taken remotely seriously.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't hold my breath

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The willingness seems pretty low on everything but "renewable sources" and recycling which requires the least effort from people.

There being some willingness to reduce meat is nice, but I've heard that line before (people rarely follow through in practice).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I guess there's going to be some interpretation about what a high vs low result really is (like how a 6/10 rated game or movie is "low"). I personally thought the raw results would have been lower based on some of the doomposting elsewhere in the thread.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have already done all these except #2. And yes - I mean that. I have changed my lifestyle over the past 10-15 years doing these things consciously.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Lol lmao. Everyone who is like "I'd give up meat if only there were more options at restaurants" should immediately give it up except at restaurants where there are no meatless options in order to fulfill their own stated values.

Of course, my bet is it's just a rationalisation. Our culture sucks and people are always looking for some reason why doing the bare minimum is unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Stop having children if you're that worried about it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'm doing my part!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, let's not make life sustainable for future generations, let's... not have future generations at all?? What kind of logic is that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

God forbid I have 1 kid instead of 3. There is an in-between.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Solid. Solid logic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Haha. That wasn't one of the options they gave. Nor was "Don't have a dog or cat"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Participants cite a lack of vegetarian options when dining out

Well it's not a religion. Eat meat if you don't find anything else on the menu. Avoid it when cooking yourself. But it's not about that, people are addicted to meat and don't want to reduce their consumption.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (23 children)

We’re not “addicted to eating meat”, we just enjoy eating meat. It’s good for us and it tastes good and it’s easy to get.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait. You think Australians will take action. Hahahahaha

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you believe the study enough to mock the outcome, then yes, apparently they'll take other actions:

"They are very happy to get more energy from renewable resources, to recycle things more, to buy fewer new things — which all do have an impact."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Australians love eating meat and say limited vegetarian options when dining out is a key barrier to changing their diet, despite more meat-free choices than ever, new research has found.

The report found respondents, who were aged between 18 and 84, believed reducing and eliminating meat intake were ineffective ways to address climate change.

"Although past research has shown that animal agriculture contributes significantly to greenhouse gas emissions, our participants believed reducing and eliminating meat intake to be some of the least effective actions against climate change," co-author and provisional psychologist from La Trobe University Ashley Rattenbury said.

Two thirds of the La Trobe University study participants said having limited options when eating out was a barrier to adopting a vegetarian diet.

The La Trobe research was compared to a similar study conducted in 2003 by Emma Lea and Anthony Worsley, from Deakin University, which asked hundreds of Australians for their beliefs about barriers and benefits to vegetarianism.

The La Trobe University study also asked participants about their perceptions of the effectiveness of stopping or reducing meat consumption, compared to how willing they would be to engage in other actions that benefited the environment.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vegetarian diet to help planet

Cows are famously super good for the planet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not eating the cows to instead only cultivate them on a smaller scale, for milk, is still better though.

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