47
submitted 23 hours ago by cypherpunks@lemmy.ml to c/wikipedia@lemmy.world
top 6 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago
[-] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago

There are still some unknowns about the case (and probably always will be), but he sounds like a pretty awful human being in general, and possibly complicit in murder of his own son:

https://www.utterlyinteresting.com/post/the-lindbergh-kidnapping-inside-the-crime-of-the-century

[-] Tuuktuuk@nord.pub 2 points 23 hours ago

This is a rather questionable article. It includes Stepan Bandera, who did indeed coöperate with Nazi Germany, because his country was under attack by Soviet Union and nobody would help, but there's a damn good reason Nazis decided to imprison him. And the organization he led did indeed do a lot of serious atrocities. While he was in prison. And when he got out, the atrocities got scaled down very much again.

I don't like that guy's philosophies at all – but most parts of this "nazi collaborator Bandera" is just Soviet propaganda. A good question is: What did Bandera do that Mannerheim did not? Also, where's the whole government of Sweden from the WWII times? If any kind of collaboration counts for ending up on this list, then how is selling iron ore for building tanks and ships to facilitate the war not collaboration? I agree that those Swedish officials or Bandera don't belong on the list, but if one does, so does the other.

The Russia is by far the main funder of national socialists in Europe, is a fascist state by itself, and is using this Bandera propaganda as a tool for increasing the influence of fascism everywhere in Europe.

Not a very good Wikipedia article, all that frankly.

[-] notabot@piefed.social 5 points 20 hours ago

Unless there are monuments, in the United States of America, of the government of Sweden of that era, they're not really relevant to the article in question. If Bandera cooperated with the nazis, even if for pragmatic reasons, and there are monuments of him in the USA, then he does belong in the article.

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

I don’t like that guy’s philosophies at all

Can you elaborate on that? Which of his philosophies don't you like, specifically?

[-] Tuuktuuk@nord.pub 1 points 15 hours ago

People talked about Jewish people back then just the same way Muslim's are now commonly talked about. With a kind of fear, and assuming a conspiracy against "normal people".

It looks like Bandera was interested in a free Ukraine, and being okay with antisemitism was not a driving factor for him, but at the same time just like I strongly dislike people for being scared of Muslims nowadays, I dislike people having been that scared of Jewish people back in the 1920's and 1930's. He also seems to have been okay with democracy, but seems to have preferred a more authoritarian model of governance himself. He was part of the xenophobic mainstream of his times, and was more vocal about that than people were in average. Apparently he was much less xenophobic than most of OUN, but xenophobic all the same.

It's also worth noting that the situation here in Finland looked very similar to how it looked in Ukraine back then. I dislike our own C.G.E. Mannerheim much more than I like him. He ordered many thousands of people killed at a concentration camp in 1918 and according to his private letters that have been preserved, his thinking was very antisemitic still in the 1920's. Even Mannerheim started strongly disliking nazis during the 1930's for first he liked them very much. (As did almost any officer in the Russian imperial military forces Mannerheim was working for for a long time!). My understanding is that while not clones of each other, Mannerheim and Bandera were very similar characters. And I'm largely just projecting my dislike for Mannerheim on Bandera. And at the same time thinking that in both of these people, their antisemitism was not a driving factor in almost any of their important decisions.

So, to put it short: I hold the intrinsic value of human life for a much more important thing than I understand S. Bandera did.

this post was submitted on 15 Feb 2026
47 points (98.0% liked)

Wikipedia

4607 readers
268 users here now

A place to share interesting articles from Wikipedia.

Rules:

Recommended:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS