Pretty much what it says on the tin, but for more context. My friends and I use Discord to play D&D and other TTRPGs. We also use it to send memes and just have conversations. We mostly do the chat, text, images, gifs, etc. But we also use the voice and video chat pretty regularly too. Screen share sometimes as well. So I'd like to try to find something that has all those features if possible.

The new ID or facial recognition requirement they are implementing is a deal breaker for a few of us, and so if I can set up some kind of alternative to make it a non-issue, I'd like to.

I'm running Ubunutu 22.04 LETS, AMD 3700X, 64GBRAM, 10x 6TB HDD, and and 2 4TB NVmE. Have a 2gb up/down internet connection. So I don't think we should have any issues making it work smoothly for 7 people.

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[–] 119 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The main issue is you'll never get the cretins that use it off it. Communities.. they're just sitting there burning the library of alexandria.. all the esoteric knowledge they're "putting on discord" is just gonna vanish.

over a billion in vc funding and discord is as shit as it is.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's funny you mention the VC funding. As far as I can tell, it's only made it worse. Discord would have done great if they just kept expectations low. Instead, they're now expected to create massive returns. That must come at the cost of consumers. I hope consumers get tired of it and leave, or someone else comes offering the simple service Discord used to provide.

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    [+] 65 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Can confirm, I host Matrix (homeserver synapse) and Element. Voice is a pain to get set up but I hear there are other matrix services which will do this for you easier. It's a process though. You can get text chat up in a day, voice is going to be a bit after that, a lot of tinkering.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Dito (Synapse server), Element for desktop app and fruitphones, Shildichat for android (its lighter and has an adorable turtle as a mascot).

    And seconding the voice coms, the VOIP relay server is a huge pain to set up, same with the registration page. My nerd herd hosts a few services that federated to share services and the admin group just issues people accounts.

    TLDR: no... Were not using discord anymore, we have discord at home.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    yes i second matrix. it's different from discord in a lot of ways, but it's still a pretty seamless transition. for anyone who wants to host matrix, i recommend the continuwuity homeserver software. it's much easier to host than synapse and is significantly faster for 99% of use cases

    if you're just trying use matrix, i prefer cinny over element for the client. cinny's ui is also very similar to discord's and it handles space/room grouping very intuitively. there's also fluffychat (less feature rich) and schildichat (element fork), among others. however, element is currently the only client which fully supports voice chat

    for instances, i recommend choosing something other than matrix.org. right now, matrix is barely decentralized because the vast majority of users choose matrix.org, which isn't great. also matrix.org collects a lot of data and requires more information to register than most servers. some other good public instances are:

    • tchncs.de
    • unredacted.org
    • catgirl.cloud
    • calitabby.net

    there are also many, many smaller public instances, but it's probably better to choose a relatively big one for moderation reasons. a lot of people think matrix is dead or no one uses it, but there are plenty of active communities if you know where to look

    for your friends who refuse to quit discord for some reason, matrix's ecosystem also has lots of bridges. if you're willing to self host, i recommend out of your element. the only caveat is that it doesn't support e2ee rooms

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    [–] 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I‘ve been looking into this a bit and whilst i haven’t really tried any of the alternatives, i did collect some notes:

    possible contenders

    • zulip
      • apache-2.0 self hosted more work focussed
    • stoatchat (formerly revolt)
      • AGPL-3 self hosted
    • teamspeak
      • proprietary ... self hosted older ts3 with ts6 announced
    • mumble
      • license seems foss - self hosted
    • spacebar
      • AGPL-3 self hosted
    • return to irc or xmpp

    probably no

    • matrix - could not decryptinator
      • a hassle regarding voice
    • peersuite

    DO NOT

    • mattermost
      • play stupid games, win stupid prices
    • guilded
      • owned by roblox
    • slack
    • discord
    • ventrilo
      • proprietary - not selfhosted - no linux

    please let me know what y’all think

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    [–] 37 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    matrix is unreasonably hard to set-up, why doesnt the docker container or the compose include voice chat? i cant even sign up for stoat to try it out.. is this the best we have against discord in the big 26 😭

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Voice chat works out of the box with Matrix.

    It uses WebRTC and tries to do P2P connections. Note that this leaks your IP to the other caller and vice versa, but it's also quite fast as you can establish a direct connection.

    If P2P fails it will try to fallback to your configured TURN server and use that one for relaying.

    However not every instance has one (as TURN servers are usually not that modern and straight forward...) and if this is the case it will fallback to Matrix's global TURN servers.

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    [–] 34 points 8 months ago* (38 children)

    Check out https://stoat.chat/, it's the closest self hostable group communications platform to Discord.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Just a fair warning in reply to this that the self-hosted version of Stoat doesn't currently have voice chat. It's an open issue that's currently paused until they can finish their rework.

    If you have the skill for it, it seems like you can patch work the existing voice chat back in, but it's not part of their initial setup and there's no instructions on how to do so properly

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Link to their voice chat implementatoon.

    Looks like you can enable it on self hosted version. Probably worth someone trying it out personally. Before giving up on stoat.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    sadly, it's a little more complex than just enabling it. The supported self host deployment uses docker, and the docker containers that are available don't contain the interfaces for voice or video calling as they are not up to date.

    If I understand it right, to enable it would mean you need to either pull the source yourself and run it off of docker, or make a custom docker image using a version of stoat web that contains the ability to do voice calls.

    reading the draft of the linked issue, it looks like the author isn't doing voice call for the reason that they don't know the proper way to integrate it into the docker image.

    So to answer it: yes it looks like you can use voice servers on the current self hosted model, but you can't use pre-existing docker images, and it will require you to manually add the new web UI in and patch where needed.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (25 children)

    Honestly the name choice adds difficulty in getting friends to take it seriously. Why did they pick "stoat"

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No clue! It was revolt before. I think they had trademark issues with that name. What's wrong with stoat?

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    [–] 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

    There another thread about discord requiring a face scan next month,so I think alternatives might start getting pushed.

    Such as https://stoat.chat/

    Edit: Not sure you can self-host it, but it does have a back end server listed in it's source code with a docker, however it might just be for code testing.

    Right RTFM... https://github.com/stoatchat/self-hosted yes you can self-hosted it.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    To create an invite you:

    # drop into mongo shell
    docker compose exec database mongosh
    
    # create the invite
    use revolt
    db.invites.insertOne({ _id: "enter_an_invite_code_here" })
    

    That's pretty jank.

    Also - I'm getting pretty fed-up with self-hosting documentation that assumes very specific environments and goes into detailed configuration for that environment. Don't tell me how to setup a server and how to enable/configure SSH and setup UFW as part of setting up your software. Just tell me how to setup your software and what ports it uses.

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    [–] 29 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Back in my day, (shakes cane), Teamspeak and Ventrillo were the big voice chat platforms/tools. Both have text chat and channels/rooms; but their focus is voice chat for gaming.

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    [–] 23 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    TeamSpeek or Mumble.

    Both have excellent voice chat.

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    [–] 22 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Matrix hoster here.

    I would recommend Matrix as it has pretty much everything, including cross platform clients, threads, voice/video calls, screensharing, spaces (aka servers), federation and E2EE. Matrix also has bridges for Discord and pretty much every other service so this could ease transition...

    But self hosting requires reading the docs and having some in depth knowledge and understanding as it can be quite complex.

    I would recommend just creating a Matrix account on one of the common global servers and testing it.

    If you want to self-host there are some pre-defined setups available (example) but I would still recommend to bring at least 5-10 hours.

    Regarding operations: It's really resilient and barely ever breaks and also doesn't need a lot of resources. A 1-2vCPU server with under 1GB RAM server is enough for less than 10 people.

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    Surprised no one has said it yet, but matrix.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat

    Literally reverse engineered discord, made open source.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    IRC, RocketChat, Slack. Technically Matrix, but for your usecase I wouldn't recommend it, as it's a bit heavy, and if you're just planning on using it with other people on the same server there's not a point.

    EDIT: Just noticed the voice chat thing. I've used Jitsi for that, and it works well. Also self-hostable

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    [–] 15 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    The Mastodon founder, Eugen Rochko, has just announced that "We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon".

    https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/116041405748460511

    Zulip is probably more focused toward work than TTRPGs, but it can't hurt to try it. (I haven't tried it personally, yet.) It is self-hostable.

    https://zulip.com/

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    [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    My guess is that it would be difficult to find a piece of software that does all the stuff discord does. But I also think it's a non-issue. You could split these needs onto multiple solutions. My group uses mumble for gaming voicechat, Signal for group conversations, and a simple rtmp server for streaming. We don't need nor use discord and never did.

    I like the idea of a single piece of software that does one job well instead of a giant powerhouse that does everything.

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    [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I still use IRC. There are now modern web clients like The Lounge or Convos that can display/share images in the channels, keep history and push notifications. Apparently Convos can do video chat but I never tried it. Unfortunately I'm not aware of screen sharing features for any of these.

    So on a very simple setup, you need an IRC server, then install and connect one of those clients to your server, and use them through a web browser, either on a computer or on a phone.

    It's obviously not entirely Discord-like, but it is a simple way to chat and share images.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Matrix is an option but it’s slow and breaks all the time. I’m a big fan of XMPP myself but good luck convincing anyone else to make an account 😔

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    We switched to element (matrix-protocol) a while ago. Until now it worked fine for us - without any real problems. It already got a native voice/video-call implementation. But i heard that selfhosting isnt that smooth

    https://element.io/de

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I would take a look at TeamSpeak or Matrix.

    Of the two Matrix is probably the closest to Discord.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Something that wasn't posted here yet but I just got told about: https://fluxer.app/

    A chat platform that answers to you, not investors. It's ad-free, open source, community-funded, and never sells your data or nags you with upgrade pop-ups.

    Over time, we'd love to explore optional monetisation tools that help creators and communities earn, with a small, transparent fee that keeps the app sustainable.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I replaced Discord(and Whatsapp) with Matrix/Element as voice chat (and general chat) with my wife. I remember running it with Docker was bit annoying to set up (I was selfhosting beginner when first doing it now it could be easier), but with Yunohost it is one click install (if you are willing with swap operating server).

    Nextcloud Talk could work for your needs, but I have not personally used it so hard to recommend it.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    teamspeak6 is in beta right now but it is my replacement for discord. Check it out, supports most anything people have used disc for

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