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[–] 121 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

Last panel gets it wrong, though.

Rest of the world totally thinks that there is such a thing as original American food:

High-caloric, hyper-processed junk containing no significant nutritional value but much too much fat, fructose sirup and carcinogenic substances.
That, and watery beer.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    There is also the American national dish of cereal (frequently meaning lumps of coloured sugar mixed with lumps of different-coloured sugar).

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    [–] 80 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Fun fact: orange chicken was invented by Hawaiian Chinese guys who ran the Panda Express in Honolulu. They wanted to create a dish that reflected the sort of flavors that were popular at Chinese restaurants in Hawai'i. So it's not an "American" concoction. It's rooted in the culture of Chinese in Hawai'i, who were invited to live and work in Hawai'i back in the kingdom days.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 68 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Wake up
    Grab a brush and put a little makeup

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    [–] 58 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Fusion, mostly. Latino coworker from Texas told me Burritos are neither Mexican nor American, but a beautiful Texas border food fusion. Anecdotal, but the guys son is a professional chef.

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  • [+] 49 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Migration and transplanting of cultures has massively increased in the last 100 years though... Shit changed a lot slower in the past.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    If you went back to the time of Leonardo DaVinci you wouldn’t find tomatoes anywhere in Italy. Tomatoes are indigenous to Central America yet today it seems almost impossible to imagine Italian food without tomatoes! The introduction of tomatoes to Italian cooking might’ve been more gradual but the transformation was far greater than anything we see now.

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    In this thread: Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community's point.

    Anyway while I'm on my European slander streak, let me tell you a story: One time i was staying in a hostel in Montreal and there was a French guy (like, a l'hexagon French, not Quebecois) there. He unironically said to me "A single tomato from France tastes better than this shit you call poutine." That quote lives rent free in my head.

    Also you wanna know why he was in Montreal? Cuz he couldn't get a job in France. peak comedy

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community’s point.

    No shit. Orange chicken was invented by a Chinese-American chef in Hawaii. Chicken alfredo was invented in the US by combining the Italian dish fettuccine al burro with cream and chicken. And breakfast tacos were an adaptation of a Mexican dish tacos de guisados, except Texans used eggs, instead of yesterday's stewed leftovers. (Also, I'm not sure the OP and community admin even gets the point.)

    American is not just a single culture, it's a melting pot of a bunch of different cultures. Same goes for Canada, just with a different mix of dominant cultures. American food is a reflection of that, sometimes remixing the idea so much that it turns into something else. Cajun food wouldn't exist without a mixture of French and American influences.

    America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don't even recognize it in themselves.

    The Axis powers came to be out of a combination of elements, but xenophobia was the biggest one. Germany got their shit together in the end, after brutal period of being forcefully separated themselves, and a period of self-reflection. Italy and Japan? Yeah, not so much.

    So, to the OP: I hope your new community isn't yet another outlet to be racist.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don't even recognize it in themselves.

    The best way I’ve heard it described is that Americans consider racism something you do, while the rest of the world tends to view it as something you are.

    To an American, if someone is a racist, it’s because they do racist things. So Americans are actually fairly good at recognizing and excising casual racism, because they recognize it as a behavior they can change. But this also means Americans are fairly quick to judge individual actions as racist, because they see it as something that should be improved upon in the future. To an American, a racist is racist because they have recognized their own racist behaviors and don’t see them as a problem.

    Meanwhile, Europeans and Asians tend to think of racism as something you are. And that’s a big difference, because it makes them much less adept at identifying the more casual forms of racism. Because even if they’re casually racist, they’ll simply tell themselves “well I’m not a racist, therefore my actions weren’t racist.” Since that binary “is/is not a racist” flag hasn’t flipped in their brain, they’re able to tell themselves that their individual actions aren’t racist.

    It’s like Europeans need to be at least 51% racist in order to be considered racist, so anything below that amount is excusable. Individual people will obviously have different thresholds for when that Boolean bit gets flipped from “not racist” to “racist”, but it still needs to hit that personal threshold before they’ll start calling out racism. And europeans will tend to judge their own actions much more leniently, like a zealot telling themselves that God is on their side so their bad deeds aren’t really bad.

    But that causes interesting culture shocks whenever Americans interact with Europeans or Asians. Europeans are quick to jump on the “all Americans are racist” bandwagon, and the American will tend to nod along and agree because they recognize that everyone has the potential to be racist. Then the American will see the Europeans do/say some vile racist shit, and start to call it out. But then the European gets defensive and adamantly states that they’re not a racist… Because the European takes the “hey that was pretty fucked up and racist, don’tcha think” as a personal “you are a racist” attack, instead of a “that individual action was racist, and you should examine why you did it” behavioral check.

    And the American will be confused on why the European immediately jumped all the way to “why are you calling me a racist? I’m not racist” argument. Because in their experience, the only people who immediately jump to that are the full blown reich-wing racists who don’t see their own racist actions as a problem, but want to continue existing in a civilized society. Labeling someone as a racist is a big deal for an American, because it means the person has refused to examine their own racist behaviors, or has done so and sees no problem with the racism. To an American, labeling someone a racist is basically the nuclear “I’ve exhausted all other possibilities, and can only conclude that they’re doing it on purpose” option.

    So Americans will often walk away from the interactions thinking “holy fuck those Europeans were really goddamned racist” simply because the Europeans refused to acknowledge that their own individual actions had the potential to be racist. Meanwhile, the Europeans will think that Americans are really fucking racist because Americans are quick to call it out amongst themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Recognizing foods from other cultures is a very new phenomena, for us families, and in europe. Tacos were unheard of in a 1950 white household. In the uk the bbc did a joke piece showing Italians harvesting pasta off the pasta tree and most people that saw it believed it.

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    [–] 32 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Alfredo pasta was invented in Italy.

    The US invented its own dish and gave it the same name.

    America has distinctive quick breads like southern biscuits and flapjacks, many desserts were invented by the Pennsylvania dutch (like doughnuts and approximately a billion cakes and pies), several excellent kinds of whiskey, a galaxy of unique bbqs, Cajun food, distinctive east and west coast deli styles, a distinctive style of fried chicken, chocolate chip cookies, deep dish pizza, french dip sandwiches...

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago

    Same with the argument of "we need to deport them to preserve our culture". America has always been mix up of cultures and has a vastly different culture from state to state and city to city. New york wouldn't have been the world renowned city it is if it didn't have its diversity.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think people really realize how much food has changed in the past few centuries. I was talking with this Pakistani dude and he was telling me about this traditional dish. Like half the ingredients were from the Columbian exchange.

    The amount and variety of spices we have is just crazy in a historical context. For most humans for most of human history, meals consisted of grains in a pot, whatever veggies you could scrounge up (which looked very little like they do today), and a little meat if you were lucky.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago*

    Same thing in Italy. We act like our traditional dishes are something we've been eating for centuries while almost all of them became a thing after WWII, during the economic boom, when a lot of people became able to afford a larger variety of ingredients, the cold chain became efficient, and we started to import recipes and food from foreign countries, and anyway the original and popular version of some classics was completely different from what we eat today and consider traditional. It is still true that many dishes are peculiar of our traditional cousine, but the way we act about it is just patriotic nonsense. Pasta itself might be historically considered more of an us italian-american thing than an italian dish

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    [–] 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (24 children)

    Hamburgers, meatloaf, gumbo, and all sorts of southern food is American.

    *Edit. Some of you think hamburgers weren't an American creation. Y'all are incorrect. The humburg meat was never put between bread. The sandwich hamburger is a US creation.

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Partner (UK) and I (US) talk about this a lot. I felt this way, but she pointed out to me that the US is astonishingly good at taking dishes from other countries and putting a spin on them, such as changes in texture or combinations. Once I started to pay attention I agreed.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    We fry it, add fat, carbs, and/or add sugar.

    Done.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s also about fusing different cuisines together, to make something new. America is the big melting pot, and that means you end up getting flavor palettes that otherwise wouldn’t have been brought together.

    Traditional Mexican food isn’t anywhere near as spicy or as cheesy as Tex-mex, for instance. That’s because Texans took the traditional Mexican cuisine, combined it with American peppers and English+North American aged orange cheeses, and created Tex-mex. Tex-mex also tends to rely on flour instead of corn, because Mexico had red/yellow/white maize (and later, modern yellow corn) while American settlers had wheat.

    And then California Mexican food is an entirely different third type of food.

    Hell, my favorite local pizza joint sells a chicken tikka masala pizza that is fucking wonderful. We have a really big North Indian population in my area, so lots of the local restaurants have veggie options (India is largely vegetarian) and/or Indian spice blends incorporated into some of their menu items.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't chicken Parmesan technically a New York dish?

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Mexico has breakfast tacos at home, they're called Tacos de Canasta

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (11 children)

    My favorite will always be wartime foods. Shit on a shingle and spam on rice are fucking amazing.

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    American food is whatever I eat in America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I hope this is just american whining about cultural appropriation again. Food evolved based on which culture cook it and that country's flavour, and chance is, some of your favorite food that you think is originated from one place is actually a fusion of another food. As a chinese that isn't originated from china(and not from the west), the chinese food i loved the most is actually just fusion made using local ingredients for local tastebud, not because some people decided to ruin someone else culture.

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