The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?

Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?

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[–] 58 points 7 months ago (1 child)

This traitor isn’t coming to save us.

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    [–] 44 points 7 months ago

    If you don't feel like your representatives are adequately representing you (God knows I don't), this is a good time to find a primary candidate to support (monetarily or with your time) - or even file to run yourself. Every house representative is up for reelection in November.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (26 children)
    1. Shut down the US government.
    2. Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
    3. Form a new North American Union (like the EU) with Canada as Daddy
    4. ???
    5. Profit
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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    2 would mostly only happen in red states. The rest mostly know how to cooperate.

    And you know that California doesn't need Canada, even less when you consider the rest of the US west coast in with it.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Probably better to form an analogy to the old European Coal and Steel Community rather than to jump directly into an EU equivalent, also bring Mexico in since without the US being a thing they'll end up with the largest population on the continent.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not smart politics, but I figured it'd be more complicated than a meme outline.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Prolly. Doesn't mean I shouldn't point out viability, fate has a strange way of twisting and if it so decides I would rather have the idea spread than for it to not. Who knows perhaps someone will read my comment and spread it further or be in a position to enact.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.

    I hope my state can successfully wage war against every state to the south of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    While my theory is based on various sci-fi so should be taken with a mine of salt, my guess is that USA will split into three different countries: NUSA (lol Cyberpunk) which will comprise of the original 13 colony states and the upper North East, The California Republic which will essentially be the West and NW and in good relations with NUSA but with different legislature, and the South which might be called anything from Texas, New Texas, Republic of Texas, or New Louisiana Territory, which will essentially be a war-torn area full of religious extremists not unlike Middle-Eastern areas after the West had their way with them. It will be full of forever wars by religious factions funded by the MIC shareholders of various other countries but in the public face it'll be covered by the media as religious extremism and/or patriotic fanaticism while ignoring the material reality and history of the situation.

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    [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    Shut it the fuck down until the weasels in the GOP actually have their arm twisted to engage with empathy. I'd be personally affected by a shutdown, but it's a sacrifice I'd make for a long time if it means any kind of progress against the fucking fascist pedophile protectors in office.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Didn't Schumer already cave? Or did I misread a headline?

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    IIRC, he's starting negotiations in the middle and is eager to give up even more.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Man, I wish Democrats were the heartless, scheming, cut-throat, socialist maniacs that I was told they were growing up in a Republican household...

    The country would be in much better shape if it were true...

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Here's the thing, they are, possibly even better than republicans, they're taking the same corporate pro israel bribe money, they just didn't also align themselves with the insane neo Nazis, Christian terrorists, and loudmouth idiots.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You forgot the part where I said "socialist." I don't want them to be heartless and scheming if they're not doing it for socialist reforms.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    You are correct, I did in fact miss that. Shouldn't be trying to be thoughtful while I'm in bed trying to sleep 😅

    And hell yeah, the only reform is socialist reform. It's unfortunate that the party is almost all corpo Dems, definitely needs more push from the left

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    No taxation without representation. We know Trump/ Elon / Putin hacked the election. This is NOT the will of the American people. Cut them off of our tax dollars. They want small government so bad, see what they can do without revenue from blue cities/ states.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid, to kowtow to the Republicans in the last shutdown. The Dems had its members "break rank" who happened to be politicians, whose election won't be coming soon or are retiring. The Democrats will pull the same manipulative tactics. They won't be in this game for so long if they are not that devious.

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    The Untied States needs to just start over from scratch

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    The resulting power vacuum would result in something far worse. Our best chance is to revive this dead democracy and fix the shit that allowed this to happen.

    I don’t think that’s possible though with this electorate.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Personally, I think that a future incarnation of the United States can be one nation, but divided into four regions, each with their own president and branches. Western, Middle, Eastern, and Outer America. The outer region is places outside of the contiguous US, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, military bases like Djibouti, Greenland, and so forth.

    These presidents can elect a Figurehead President, who heads the national executive for one term, and no more. Each region donates soldiers and other resources to the national government, and the national court is expanded to have an equal number of justices from each region. I am thinking about 21 justices - 4 from each region, and each president selecting a justice who represents their executive branch during the tenure of their president.

    This would make it much harder for any one faction to have controlling power over politics, and make genuine collaboration much more likely.

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    My pet rock can run things better than Trump is doing.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Everywhere could be better off without a government, not just the US.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Propaganda from “liberal” media trying to calm you down. Fight.

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