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Hello!

Two potential feature requests. I'm sorry if I'm retreading some kind of old issue. I also think this is probably one of the longer posts. Thank you kindly should you end up reading it!

TLDR: I got a post moderated and was surprised at what I saw. First suggestion is to ask for a notification that moderation was done to a user's post, and for the user to access or backup the effected post. Second suggestion is to spread the work volume between users/moderators/admin with an easily visible "stress" test that is not dependent on user reviews or comments, plus a more prominent make your own version of the community to encourage greater duplicative communities in PieFed.

Question: What can a user expect when their post is deleted, and their options.

Expectation: Users with posts deleted - for whatever reason - should receive notices that their posts are taken down, a grace period to back up their targeted content, and an easy way to figure out the reason(s).

Reason: If someone is subjected to censorship on PieFed/Lemmy (I'm not saying I was), and their posts are systematically taken down without notice or an option to back up their posts, there should be a grace period to allow them to do so. I think there should also be an easy table to show which posts of theirs were targeted so they can assess for themselves if they are targeted for censorship.

Example: I recently made a post that was designated "Off-Topic". Of course, I'm not here to raise the issue of whether I agree or not here. But what I found was I had no idea my post was deleted because there was no notification. Also, when I did realize my post was deleted, I looked over the post to see that the body was deleted, and I didn't know where to go to refer to the original content to assess further.

I then went to the modlog, and found that the post was deleted with a stated reason. But the link didn't lead to a version that was available for assessment, just to the post with the deleted body, and the comments that were made.

Second Request

Question: Can the community be leveraged to assess a community's stress, and options to relieve that stress?

I believe that the moderator role is already a volunteer position, but the content poster/user is also a volunteer position. There should be a balance to to alert the user if something is changing their posts or not, and whether this is appropriate. I feel that the way the workflow is set up now, the assumption is that the moderator is simply right, and there's not a balance or check to see if the moderator has gone renegade or no longer behaving as expected.

Modlog simply documents the change, but doesn't allow the public to assess if the action steps taken are appropriate. So, for obvious big moves like a moderator deleting every post, the Modlog looks useful. But for subtle changes like light or "soft" censorship, the Modlog doesn't seem able to show that.

Feature Recommendation

Also this flows into another recommendation, and I'm not sure if this is duplicative work (long post, sorry!), the current work flow seems to travel from user by virtue of volume, then to moderator, then to admin. I'd say the greatest points of stress in this workflow appear to be moderator, and then admin to police policy on both users and moderators. As a related requested, I'd suggest to somehow spread the workload more consistently among these roles.

If Piefed builds in a recommendation to users to consider posting to alternative communities or start their own, the hope is to spread that volume. Even if those new communities start slow, they will be in place ready to be added to Topics or Feeds. PieFed is also purpose built to combine similar posts together, and for the so called multi-reddits. PieFed can leverage that better than Lemmy.

I'm thinking out loud here, maybe some color coded heat mapping to just show users in the Modlog whether Mod/Admin staff exercise large volumes of actions to posts, and a recommendation (Grade A to F) based on arbitrary numbers of actions that can be revisited or tweaked, and a prominent easy button to just pick a new community or start a new one on another instance.

Why? I suggest that if a community exceeds an arbitrary number of administrative actions, it's a loose and indirect factor that the community could be experiencing high or excessive volume, and consequently stress. By using such a factor, PieFed users don't necessarily have to worry about inviting other people's reviews of a community - which can be compromised by brigading or other toxic behaviour.

PieFed users instead can be directed to smaller communities or to start their own upfront to create a new culture of building smaller spaces unified by PieFed's Topics or Feeds feature.

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[-] rimu@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's definitely more we should be doing to notify people when a post is deleted. Yes. It hasn't been super high priority as the people who get their posts deleted tend to be a pain in the ass.

I don't think many communities have enough activity to be able to automatically detect stress levels based on the mod log. That'd be a good problem to have, it means we're busy!

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't have much to say regarding your points, I do agree that a notification on our posts getting moderated sounds like expected behavior.
The part about proposing communities, I think any design of such feature has to be greatly informed by what is technically possible with the data an instance has

But since your post has been touching on spreading the load: what do you think about community moderation, like SO has (had?)? Example:

  1. Post/comment gets posted
  2. Many people flag it
  3. A few/some other accounts ( that subscribed to that comm) get a notification with a question if that flagged thing is ok. With option to not answer
  4. Moderator sees this community decision when they view the thing

It would still be a moderator making a decision but IMO this would

  1. Show users that reports matter
  2. Provide vibe check for moderator
  3. sometimes it could back moderator's decision
  4. Sometimes might be an opportunity to reconsider
  5. Users would be more aware what moderators are fighting with
[-] runsmooth@kopitalk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

I like your point that any feature has to be informed by what's possible with the data available.

I hoped that my proposal would take advantage of data already available from the Modlog, which is simply the number of actions taken by Mods/Admins.

I also wanted to rely more on a metric that didn't depend on user input/feedback to resist bot or group brigading.

I suspect your workflow already is informally followed by Mods/Admins, and I'd like to refer to it as the Micro side of administration, when they go to a post in question trying to assess what's going on based on comments surrounding a post. I too believe that helps spread the work, but also vibe checking's negative cousin is essentially brigading.

I don't think there are easy answers in the Micro side, and much of it would be driven by existing rules and terms which seem clear enough as it is. I suspect most of the problem with Micro is just the work of assessing posts and exercising judgment.

I'd rather explore the Macro side of the equation to focus on some available metrics, and what trends can be directed with what we already have.

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I hoped that my proposal would take advantage of data already available from the Modlog

The actions themselves yes. But for example the real size of the community? That might be tricky in federated world and IMO it would be needed to get the percentage brackets. To quantify the amount of those actions, how much is nothing and how much is a lot

I suspect your workflow already is informally followed by Mods/Admins, and I’d like to refer to it as the Micro side of administration

I don't agree it's the same. What you describe is more "inner circle". I have been thinking of more "judge of the peers" construct. Where just a regular user, that is not a moderator, takes part in moderation. Not in definitive way, what they decide won't be the final verdict, but still is asked the question "is that a proper post in here?" apart from the doots.
But I don't intend to hijack the post

[-] runsmooth@kopitalk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think what you shared is relevant, not a hijack.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm an admin, and I also want notifications when a comment or post is removed. Frequently I have to take down a user's comment because they used a slur, but I don't want to ban them because there's a decent chance they didn't know. So I'm left with a choice: say nothing, and they'll do it again soon enough, or leave a comment explaining the removal and get people in the replies making a stir.

I wish they got a notification with the reason I put in the modlog, so they could make a decision about whether to keep using the slur, and then I know I can ban them if they do it again.

this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2026
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