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"Just once I'd like these people to come in and engage with us" - 'Hello' - "Fuck off" (thelemmy.club)

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[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They're just like maga, "Debate me bro." And then they proceed to reject all the facts and logic that you provide, while getting upset when you dismiss the alternative "facts" that they make up.

Like, what is this? "Argues without insulting us" AND "Argues without tone policing"? So, what, tankies want to be the only ones who can tone police and insult their counterparts in an argument?

Like, pick one or the other and apply the same rules to both sides. Ideally neither side throws insults, and either side can tone police. But don't say "we can do both, and you can do neither." That's the same "rules for thee, not for me" rhetoric that all authoritarians use, whether on the left or on the right.

Tankies are just covert fascists. Prove me wrong.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think they're quite fascist because of the economic difficreneces and social wellbeing policies.

But they are undoubtedly both authoritarian, and that's pretty much the biggest problem because it practically makes the two identical.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Tankies are sometimes called red fash since they argue in support of fascism as opposed to actually caring for the people. I mentioned it before, Tankies don’t operate on the basis of parties or workers. They are authoritarians, so when they mean CCP, they mean Xi. When they mean Russia, they mean Putin. That's why if you explore their spaces and engage with them, they will almost never actually argue for the workers or people

They love their "strong" leaders and deify them -- I mean, really, who has photos of a dead dictator in their room? What is that?

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[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

If you take their theory at face value, correct. If you observe their attitudes and actions, you see that they don't really care about implementing those theories. They only discuss them to give themselves a veneer of moral superiority.

Stalin didn't lift the proletariat out of poverty; he merely starved and murdered all the peasants who didn't join his party. He didn't liberate the masses, he implemented a highly oppressive surveillance/police state.

The average anarchist will be the first to try to bully someone into complying with their preferred systems of social order. They only want there to be no government so that nothing can stop them from forcing everyone else to conform to their will.

That's what I mean by "covert" fascist. Nominally leftist, practically not.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 7 points 3 weeks ago

Equating anarchists to fascists is genuinely in the top five most stupid fucking political takes I have ever heard in my life. What the fuck do you think anarchists want force on you?

"Fuck these anarchists, they want to get rid of hierarchy and government so I won't have a boot to suck the polish off of." Is what you fucking sound like. The comm is for shitting on tankies. Anarchists are not tankies. Tankie does not mean leftist, it means authoritarian communist.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Anarchists aren't tankies, no. But a shocking amount of them, on Lemmy at least, cosy up with Tankies and even argue in favour of authoritarian states, or defend them. From my experience, the average anarchist hates the liberal more than the tankie, despite the latter being in direct opposition to their principles.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, and I actively distance myself from them. Its why I moved from dbzer0 to quokk.au and from Lemmy to Piefed. Anarchists who cosy up to MLs are naive and fail to learn from a hundred years of history. Anarchism is just as incompatible with statism and authority as it is with capitalism. That is not to say I wont work with liberals and marxists, just that I would never trust them.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

that's actually really respectful to your ideals.

why do you think so many anarchists, like those from dbzer0, cosy up to tankies?

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 7 points 3 weeks ago

Its scary fighting back. You want allies, and many of them so the odds dont feel so impossible. Its hard not to fall into the thinking that capitalism is the bigger threat, so we should work together against the common enemy. "We'll figure out which communism is best after the revolution" is what I often hear. Issue is, looking at history, we get backstabbed before we get to see the end of the revolution. In the end though, its hard not to end up trusting those you spend time working with.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Succinctly said. Personally, I think communists will have a better chance of achieving true communism™ by cosying with liberals and democracy, suggesting socialist and universal systems, pensions, healthcare, transport -- Systems that most democratic nations already have implemented.

It's telling that China, the de facto "communist" state, which isn't exactly Marxist, lacks some of these universal systems, such as healthcare and worker rights and of course, the class disparity.

What I mean is that I don't think an immediate, instantaneous uprising is absolutely necessary to achieve these concepts.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think anarchists have more in common with communists, the issue is that the kind of communists that dominate the spaces are Marxist-Leninists who are the problem. I would be much more inclined to trust a council communist or a luxemburgist than I am a liberal or an ML. The reason being that (good) statist communists at least agree with anarchists on needing to abolish private property and capitalism, but disagree overmatters regarding the state. Liberals still believe in both capitalism and the state. I do not see a situation where liberals would ever allow anarchists to exist outwardly. I do not see it with MLs either. But I could see a very small chance of it happening if democratic communists (like council communists and luxemburgists) were the dominant force in statist radical left circles. Unfortunately though they are not. So unfortunately anarchists are pretty isolated for allies.

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One would almost think this a joke screenshot.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago

sometimes i consider if it's just a massive troll, but then i wander into their chatrooms and it's just nonstop bitching and moaning lol

must be tiring being a keyboard warrior fighting against capitalism and fascism by posting memes

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[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago

got banned for pointing out that they can't pull a revolution when they can't even handle words like... GASP...

idiot

[-] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Mod accidentally revealed his IQ of 80

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 5 points 3 weeks ago

Room temp IQ but can't afford the heating bill.

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[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

Immediately going for their point 3 in their reply. It couldn't be any funnier.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Most of their grievances with THE LIBS are projections

[-] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

They want us to debate with them but they ban us when they lose. Typical ML getting rid of people who become dangerous to their belief in their worldview.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

These aren't anonymous users or strangers to each other in the slightest.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Translation: Write me a new religion and convince me my current religion is crap. Anything less and you're wasting your breath.

No thank you.

[-] TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 8 points 3 weeks ago

I mean you’re like their Cowbee.

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[-] eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago

This does seem like you had some kind of history of interaction with them, so you wouldn't just be anyone to them.

If you aren't just any random person offering them to talk, you must have known that your personal relationship is loaded with a preexisting emotional sentiment.

I would assume that you already knew exactly how they would respond and only made your offer intending to post the response here.

This is a perfect example of acting in bad faith imo.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

funnily enough i've only interacted with hexbear one other time and that was then they federated with the entirety of Lemmy as a way to troll. Unfortunately for them they didn't consider that meant anyone could venture into hexbear. hexbear ended up defederating from all of lemmy within 24 hours. it was a humiliating defeat for them

my relationship with hexbear is one of their own circlejerking, they didn't even know I agreed with them on the US. They also don't know any of my views.

true i expected to be banned and i did predict this sort of response. thats why i offered in good faith a baseline of stuff we agree on. Regardless, it's telling that you're not calling them bad faith for knowingly making a bait post asking people to come talk with them, which will get anyone who actually engages with them banned

would it also not be further in bad faith if I were to use a different identity? that seems dishonest, no? and why is it on me if they can't control their emotions? i've had them harass me nonstop, attempt to dox me multiple times, threaten to kill me numerous times, create fake nudes and regularly spread false information about me, but I never get volatile, i'm a very relaxed goat

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