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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago

Yes but have you considered this facebook post my friend shared that contradicts that?

Facts dont care about your feelings, libt*rd

[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's very hard to do with science, when you are a layman

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 months ago
[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

If understanding was caused by direct observation we wouldnt have local weather-persons who doubt global warming.

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al -4 points 3 months ago

Telling me what you think about what somebody else thinks is basically the opposite of direct observation.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yes. And yet staring at twenty years of them reporting the weather would not at all improve my understanding of global warming. Especially if that observation was stretched out over twenty years.

Accurately recorded and identified specific observations are necessary for scientific progress, but their mere collection is not sufficient for understanding.

Science requires us to speculate, predict, test, and refine. And if all we do is observe without even having made a prediction, we're not even testing.

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nobody said anything about only observing. And understanding does not require that we manufacture hypothesis or model. You are thinking science, which is another thing. I am thinking mere empiricism. After that there are multiple options. But yes, empirical basis is key.

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 months ago

Or even EMPIRICISM, BITCHES.

Because you don't even need to craft a model at this point. And you can employ all kinds of fuzzy judgements that don't encode into language, like vibe and aesthetic.

Language really is a crude, shallow and convention-bound thing.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Unless you are someone who learns by doing.

Watching someone cut up a plant of wood and mount it to a wall to be a shelf is all well and good, but some people will learn more by actually doing it.

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 1 points 3 months ago

Doing it makes for a better observation than watching it, surely.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

No, you understand best by direct experience

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 3 months ago
[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

Observing is watching, experience is doing

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I see your point. There are varying degrees of experience. And participating or doing can definitely lead to the greater form. But the way you're using the terms seems arbitrary.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

How is it arbitrary? You said that people learn best by observing. I disagree. People learn best by doing, not just seeing. You're the one who has apparently conflated seeing and doing. Observation and experience are distinct things

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No actually I didn't say that.

Forget it.

I think that this conversation you're having here is 99% with yourself.

this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2026
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