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[–] 149 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I give that about a week after it comes out, before you can buy compatible socket wrenches on AliExpress.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly, this whole article is stupid and I kinda like the little fasteners.

    I'll buy a set of these screwdrivers for $10 and put them in my speciality tool drawer and call it a day.

    No problems here.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    From the standpoint of anybody reasonably handy, we all know we can buy tools. Any time I see a discarded or abused tool I'll salvage it just because I know I can grind or channel out the head to make custom drivers. That's not the problem.

    It's that the company is going to use this as a play to illegally monopolize and stifle competition.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah, like those security lug nuts. Guess what, guys?

    We've had two vehicles come with them. I remove them the first time I have a wheel off for some reason.

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  • [–] 69 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    People need to stop buying BMWs, they seem to always be the first to introduce some new bullshit.

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    [–] 36 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    it will probably limit 3rd parties for a short time, until they purchase the tool that is required

    or someone reverse engineers a tool that doesn't violate some trademark

    these things never stay in one parties control for long

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I think the issue is with how many hoops you want to jump through in order to fix BMWs, specifically.

    If I'm running an auto-repair shop and I already need specialty kits and tools for more common vehicles, why am I going to invest in one for a far more niche brand? And if the number of non-dealership repair centers for BMWs dry up, the pool of people skilled in repair go with it.

    It's a death spiral for the brand as a whole, in pursuit of marginal increase in dealership based repairs.

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    [–] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I bet that the goal here is to try to abuse trademark law to sue anyone who makes compatible bits because it's embedding the trademarked BMW logo. I also bet that courts won't buy into it.

    EDIT: Well, I bet that US courts won't buy into it. Dunno about other jurisdictions, what case law is there.

    Back in the 1990s, you had Sega v. Accolade, where Sega tried making their consoles not work with a game unless that game had copyrighted and trademarked content at the beginning, with the idea that nobody could legally make games compatible with their consoles without Sega's approval, and a court said "nice try, but no".

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    The court then went on to cite Anti-Monopoly v. General Mills Fun Group, which states in reference to the Lanham Act, "The trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product. That is the special province of the limited monopolies provided pursuant to the patent laws."[9] The judges in the case had decided that Sega had violated this provision of the act by utilizing its trademark to limit competition for software for its console.

    EDIT3: Oh, BMW patented it, too. I still bet that that's going to run into anti-trust law.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Basically what Nintendo did on one of their schemes to prevent unauthorized software (Famicom Disk System, which was a floppy disk drive for the Japanese version of the NES). This was the physical Nintendo logo embossed on to floppy disk and with a flat disk instead, the disk can't be physically loaded (sort of, you can add extra cut outs). Other game systems required a logo or similar other brand/trademark/IP to be present in the game code in order to boot, so if you wanted to make your own game without Nintendo's blessing, you had to invlude their IP in your physical disk or in the game code just to get it to boot. This BMW patent seems to be in the spirit of those hard and software protections that prevent people from doing what they want with the hardware (car) they bought.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    I wonder how that got past the prior art. I mean Robocop referenced shooting yourself in the dick back in the 1980s.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    Hooray, more tools to buy. 🫩

    Sure wish we could just have a single standard shape and size.
    How about standard hex in metric and be done with it?

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    [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Literally not even a novel design and in my opinion, not patentable.

    Didn't Audi edit: try some similarly outrageous stunt about 25 years ago? Something like no user access to the engine compartment at all? As in go to the dealer to have them remove the front of your car and refill your washer fluid. I remember that went over like a limestone cloud and I don't think they pulled the trigger on that design. Car people, where are you?

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    BMW is essentially the Apple of cars. Is has the same cult-like following too.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    a-hole drivers, a-hole companies not surprised.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Man, fuck BMW, they're a shitty company to do business with. Worse than Audi even and that's a tall order.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I bet you'll be able to source matching bits from Chinese sources not a week after the screws appear on the market.

    Nobody learned anything from "Tamper Resistent" Torx.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sure a bored steel worker somewhere can crank out a bit in 10 minutes

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    No one ever asks about the company's right to repair /s

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    BMW, in lieu developing electric cars that can compete with chinese brands, has found a different way of binding its customers to the brand...

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Even a bad idea like this has its loyal supporters who are fine with a car company making DIYers jump through hoops. Probably pay more for the luxury of not being able to do basic service on your own car.

    I honestly was expected it to be lug nuts connected to the cloud that self-destructed if a code isn't given in time. If you want people to buy your cars and take them to the dealer for servicing, then build better cars and have better service at decent prices. It's common sense to anyone else.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    classic bmw

    if only our economy wasnt so dependent on this company

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    This just means in order to remove them at home, you have to buy a special screwdriver.

    Nintendo did this for decades, and it was still super easy to obtain the special screwdriver for their special screws.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Fuck them then. The line in the sand has been drawn and we want to fix our shit without corporate intervention. I was always too poor to own one anyway.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Fuck em, but also a few measurements, plastic prototypes, and 1 shapeways order and you could have a custom stainless socket wrench bit to fit these. I've printed a custom shaped utility box key in 17-4 for less than $50.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    A Veblen good is a type of luxury good for which the demand increases as the price increases, in apparent contradiction of the law of demand, resulting in an upward-sloping demand curve.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Propriety screws can all be defeated with the right 2 part epoxy...?

    What's the point? Any person with a set of tools is not going to be stopped by having the wrong drill bit.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Why not just weld that shit solid at this point ffs.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone's copying from the fruit store. They see "unrepairable phones made them a trillion dollar company, let's do the same!". All they have to do is market it like it was made by the second coming of Christ and people will love it. Sprinkle on some bullshit like "it's for your safety, stealing it is worth less now" and it'll be a hit.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Give me a blowtorch and 20 minutes. I'll have it off.

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