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What should I do now lol

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (7 children)

One thing I've noticed: if you land on Google from search around 20% of comments are from now deleted accounts. Try searching "best bike reddit" and see for yourself.

I think the hypothesis that power users are leaving is showing itself to be true.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Was trying to figure out why imgur just always seems broken now (it's because of my VPN) and as I scrolled past all the reddit results like 1/3 of the answers had been deleted. It brought a tear to this former lurkers eye.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just tried to find one of my very popular, but deleted help comments on r/synology via Google but couldn't find it.

What I did find heartening is that they've flagged the sub as NSFW so I can't view anything unless logging in (which I can't do because my account is gone). Also, r/plex is set to private so that's useless too.

chefs kiss.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Respect to r/Synology and r/plex! I loved those subs

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just used power delete suite on my 13 year old account this morning. Every comment and post is gone.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

check back in few days, lot of people are reporting their deleted comments were restored

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

PowerDeleteSuite doesn't get everything, particularly on old accounts. PDS uses your New, Hot, Top & Controversial lists on your profile - however reddit has been limiting the length of these lists for a few months now.

For example, if you have a link to one of your older Top comments, you might see a bunch of low karma replies underneath that PDS didn't touch.

The only real way to get everything is to do a GDPR request and use the links in there. Shreddit can do this (in particular the github version, the website charges $15 for the feature), however even then it will panic and stop part way through. I've had to edit the files and split them down, and even then I haven't yet finished. Shreddit uses the API though, so it won't work after 1 July.

Also reddit have been restoring some comments evert couple days - you might find some that PDS removed have returned. Supposedly this is to do with how reddit's CDN structure works, but that may also just be an excuse. I wouldn't be surprised if reddit tries to claim ownership of everyone's comments and restores most if not all of them, so those google searches might start working again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm waiting to do it because I want to leave no trace, and any closed subs are unable to have comments changed. Also, waiting til the last minute because I'm not trying to dead mod one of my subs; I hate Reddit, buts it's a smallish sub (30k) and I don't want to just leave it. Only two of the five mods are active, and he's thinking of leaving as well, so I guess we're gonna have to mod search?? At least get one person in and then dip.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks normal to me. This phenomena though is perhaps the saddest part of the whole thing. It'll take years to build up a similar amount of excellent info.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Who burned the modern Library of Alexandria? u/spez, and fuck him for it.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They came after a small sub I moderate today too. My response was to make a sticky post to the sub with the contents of the mod mail and a recommendation for everyone to move to kbin or lemmy. I hadn't planned on giving reddit any more free content anyways given their behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

That's a good idea, I have a small sub (only 20k subs) and I kept it dark till yesterday. I don't want to give Reddit the satisfaction of taking it, but putting sticky posts for kbin/lemmy seems like the way to go. I think I'll post a user guide, too.

On that subject, kbin reminds me of the Reddit I migrated to after Digg killed itself. It's a bit trickier for novices to navigate, but the interface is starting to grow on me, and I suspect that will be the case for many.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy shit that's rich.

You , as a mod, are in a position of trust! You have an obligation to your community.

-reddit who has fucked over th community

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

It's just manipulation of course. They're trying to guilt-trip mods into doing what Reddit wants. Reddit's concern here is obviously not for the poor innocent users being deprived their access to these subreddits. Reddit's concern is maximising the amount of cash that flows into their pockets.

If Reddit actually cared about the users then they would respect the subreddits where users have voted to keep the subreddit private or change the subreddit to NSFW content. But Reddit is not respecting these votes from users, because they only care about the cash flowing into their pockets.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm moving my teeny-tiny sub to kbin tonight.

All 8 people that subscribe to its semi-annual posts will have their worlds shaken /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

r/DawnWells and all 4 subscribers staying closed. I figure they'll get to my by 2029 or so. :)

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's easy.
Reopen the sub and put a sticky post with info on how to join kbin/lemmy and encouraging users to give it a try and join the fediverse alternative sub you've created.

Then if you post any content- do it on the fediverse, and if you post it to Reddit just make it a link post to the fediverse page that has the content. Optionally disable comments or filter them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

They are deleting all references to kbin/lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then the more fediverse links that get posted, the more work they'll have to do. Do they have the staff to keep up? (That's a rhetorical question.)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit is already making liberal use of AI bots to post and reply, I suspect they will use them to moderate soon enough. After a while, it will just be bots talking to bots (self-generated content) and I think Reddit management will be fine with that as long as Wall Street doesn't notice or care.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Source on this?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems lemmy links were removed from r/Piracy's sidebar (maybe by the mods, possibly by admins), but their pinned post still has links to both their own piracy instance and the piracy community on lemmy.ml. So maybe pinned posts are safe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've put the kBin links on the sidebar of my subs.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Well then we'll just have to post even harder.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

a watermark in every post with image/videos that shows the address, eventually even new members will notice and migrate

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All the more reason to keep mentioning them in regular comments then - they might be able to moderate stickied posts themselves but they can't read through every comment on every subreddit.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised they're still allowing that.

I suspect they'll start auto-deleting comments which reference the competition sooner rather than later.

It's already increasingly obvious that they're deleting comments and using bots to change the narrative.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Twitter blocked links Mastadon for a hot minute calling them spam or unsafe or something. IIRC they backed down after a couple of days. Reddit has already been getting shit press for the last couple of weeks, tech journos are watching this all unfold closely, is Reddit dumb enough to take an action that is blatantly censorship and anticompetitive? It would be totally unspinable.

If they do that, it'll tell you a lot about reddits thinking here. Spez current position is that the people complaining are a small minority and this will all blow over soon. If Reddit really believes that, then they best course of action is to let the complainers post their Lemmy/Kbin links, avoid a fresh round of bad press, and the lemmy/Kbin users will be gone in a couple of weeks and the reddit user base will remain largely intact. If Reddit views the risk of a mass migration to be a real and existential threat to their business, despite what they are saying publicly, then blocking Lemmy/Kbin links would make sense as a last ditch effort to keep their user base of casual users ignorant of popular alternatives, bad press being a necessary cost worth paying to try to retain the user base they need to sell for their ipo. All for that assumes Reddit is behaving rationally though, which Spez has shown isn't a safe assumption.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Agree that rationality is not a safe assumption. None of this has been rational- it feels like Spez is having a temper tantrum (as would a small child) and those around him are desperately trying to channel it into professional-ish actions.
Also makes sense if Spez is Ellen Pao 2.0- board decides unpopular changes need to be made, so they pay Spez extra to do 120% of what they want and be the fall guy. He goes nuts for a while, then resigns, and is replaced with some suit who looks good on TV and has a bit of social media cred. That guy then says all the right things to the community and walks back 20% of the changes.
This probably all pushes the IPO back a year or so, but if they think they can increase revenue in that time, it makes some sense.

At this point though I wouldn't put anything past Reddit.
I have to think someone there is smart enough to know if they block fediverse links that's a huge escalation that makes them OBVIOUSLY the 'bad guys' even in the eyes of people who DGAF about the API nonsense.
From the POV of a 3rd party observer, it COULD be argued that Reddit is just dumping freeloaders, a bunch of the users don't like it and want shit for free, and it's a stupid forum drama squabble.
But as soon as they start actively suppressing competitors, that becomes a lot harder to see as anything other than 'actively stopping their users who want to leave from leaving'.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile I just mentioned /u/spez in a comment and promptly got an auto moderator notification that you're not allowed to username-mention admins anymore, so I guess he's tired of having his inbox consist of 100,000 messages telling him to GFY.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"he who must not be named" lol

Fuck you /u/spez, you fragile fucking snowflake

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Steve Huffman, use his name. It's not defamation if it's true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

He already had that muted anyway, this is just being done out of spite.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep, just got one for my 3 member (all of whom are mods) sub, which purely exists for the 3 of us to shitpost once every few months. Apparently millions of people rely on us. Who knew?!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Wow. That's especially pathetic of the admins.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's kinda obvious, isn't it. Just recreate the community/magazine on lemmy/kbin :D

Maybe advertise your community in the subreddit while telling everyone that you have been replaced as a moderator.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Man, Reddit can get bent. Let's make their IPO fail miserably so they don't profit off this bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

lol yeh they came after one of my subs ... that i had made public a few hours ago. i'm going to leave programming in automod that tells people where the sub's new home is

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@cm0002 , I would recreate the sub on kbin.social (or whatever instance you favor) as a magazine. Id copy whatever FAQs and guides your sub has and post them to your magazine. I'd download and then delete all of your Reddit comments and anything you personally have written.

Then I would post a sticky with instructions on where to find the new magazine on the Fediverse. Also post the info at r/RedditAlternatives and r/ModCoord (not sure if I got the sub's name right, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't know if I'd go scorched earth and open up everything to minimal moderating, or if I would quit. But definitely create an alternative community for your sub here, so ex Redditors have somewhere to go.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah if you can migrate over helpful information here it’s a net positive for the community and a big fu to Reddit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Id copy whatever FAQs and guides your sub has and post them to your magazine.

Apparently, someone has archived a copy of a lot of Reddit history:

https://the-eye.eu/redarcs/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not use Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just say the same thing I said when I got this at r/knives. Fuck spez.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Got one for a ~10k user sub. I replied "Oh no, don't fire me from a job I don't get paid for."

Don't know who they think is going to want to take the job.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You should let us know if you make a magazine here so we can subscribe!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Most of if not the whole mod team of r/askmen is leaving, they didn’t get forcibly removed but they’re done with the bullshit so they’re quitting.

I wonder if Reddit knows it’s doing some serious and potentially irrevocable damage to itself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

How many subs? Curious to see if it'll affect mine. It's only 10K though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you want to protest, do not give in to their demands. Allow them to kick you off and then complain as loudly as you can. Or try to move the community to Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What do you mean, "what should I do now"?

You're on RedditMigration.

Maybe migrate from reddit. idk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They steal your sub if you stay inactive, they steal your sub if you switch to porn... I guess the last viable option for visible protest on reddit is another John Oliver sub. That and leaving.

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