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I have a friend who has been using an e-cigarette for 10+ years. He doesn't seem any less addicted to smoking as back when he was using old-fashioned cigarettes.

I understand e-cigarettes are supposed to help you quit... but has anyone actually had success with them? Or, is it more like trading one vice for another?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s far less harmful for you, but it’s a good aid for quitting too.

I quit by getting progressively weaker liquid. Sometimes I mixed my own and sometimes I’d have a vape shop do it. Every time, I would reduce nicotine content by 10% of whatever my current nicotine level was. Normally if I ran out, I would be in my car going to buy more. But after about a year of lowering nicotine this way, I ran out and said to myself, “I’ll get some the next time I’m out.” And I never did buy more.

The anti vaping laws are atrocious. They often seek to ban the type of e cigarettes that actually let you mix your own liquid or have vape shops mix them. The bills actually require tobacco flavoring and flavoring is the component with the least known health effects. Everything else is pretty well settled and reasonably safe relative to alcohol and caffeine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do not help you quit. They can help you control the amount of nicotine you’re taking in. From my personal experience, it was harder to quit vaping than cigarettes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I actually found that ecigs made my lungs feel worse that actual cigarettes, I don't know if it was popcorn lung or what, but it made my chest feel incredibly tight, and it didn't matter the juice type/brand or strength. I've resigned that sheer will power is the only way I'll quit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The chemicals that cause popcorn lung haven't been in vape juice for years.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m with you, just powered through cold turkey. Chemical addiction went by pretty fast, the habit part took longer.

Some vapes had that effect on me too with the heavy, tight chest. Most were fine and definitely felt better than cigs… I’m just glad I’m done with all of it. My body is doing much better as a whole without any smoking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They did for me. Smoked 20 years, vaped 3 years at increasingly lower nicotine levels, then quit. That was several years ago

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand e-cigarettes are supposed to help you quit

They're not.

An e-cigarette is just like a normal cigarette, but you're not inhaling burned paper. If you were inhaling addictive substances with normal cigarettes, nothing is stopping you from doing the same with an e-cig.

Do they work? In the sense that they "burn" (in quotes) substances and let you inhale them, then yes. That is their purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I quit smoking with them but it was more about harm reduction for me. They're obviously less healthy than not using it at all, but everyone I know who quit smoking using an ecig has their own anecdotes about how they felt better after switching. I used to get bronchitis flare ups every flu season but that hasn't happened since I switched. I don't cough up crud all the time, I can climb stairs without getting winded, and I smell like fruit instead of cigarette butts which I'm sure everyone else appreciates. My nic level is also so low now I'm basically just vaping flavored vegetable glycerin.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are "supposed" to make quit burning tobacco. That's where the harm is.
Nicotine alone does not cause cancer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It worked for me. Although I didn't intend to hang up my nicotine addiction when I switched to a vape. I stuck with it because I didnt smell bad and i could get what felt like a clean buzz. Then I got into making big clouds that tasted good. Then the juul came out along with salt nic which allowed me to get my throat hit and more intense buzz. After awhile I started to really notice my dependency and started to get annoyed and sick of it. Tried quitting cold turkey from 50mg. Didnt work. Went back to vaping 3mg for while and eventually got a 0mg bottle along with my 3mg to dilute and eventually stuck with 0mg and ive been vape free for about 4 months now. I know its not long but it definitely made it easier for me.

I guess the moral my my story is how you use an addictive substance is up to you, just remeber the results that can come from it. The process of quitting is different for everyone. But most importantly its your mentality. The various nicotine options, my mental preparedness, and my plan is what allowed me to finally quit. If your looking to quit I genuinely wish you the best of luck. Thanks for reading.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It helps most in the sense that it's not at all as unhealthy. Anything you hear to the contrary is simply scaremongering and terrible advice. Almost half of smokers die from smoking related illness where I live. The negative health effects and oxidative damage from pyrolysis and from vapourizing a liquid are simply not comparable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It depends whether you want to stop or not, it's as simple as that.

E-cigarettes can be a great way to quit smoking, if that's what you want. If you just switch to an E-cigarette and expect to magically stop smoking, you're in for disappointment. Nicotine cessation is entirely psychological.

It's a little bit like that Lap band surgery. You still have to want to lose weight after, otherwise you will blow it open and it will do nothing.

If anyone actually wants to quit smoking I highly suggest the book "Easy way to stop smoking" by Alan Carr.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sigh. I got a vape to help me quit then realized all the reasons I wanted to quit were now gone. So there's basically no chance I'm quitting now. Awesome.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You mean are they just as addictive? Yeah. Its just as big of a scam as cigarettes and a monumental waste of money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually did quit using them. But it wasn’t a case of switching from cigs to vapes and then just quitting a few weeks later.

I smoked for over 30 years and then moved over to vaping. I then vaped for about 7 years before finally managing to quit. That was 557 days ago now.

I will say coming off the vapes did seem easier than coming off cigarettes which I’d never managed to do previously,

Whether the vapes actually helped me quit I can’t say for sure but when I was on them I didn’t stink of smoke and I’m sure they are probably more healthy than actual cigarettes and they’re much cheaper so I look at the time vaping as a positive comparatively speaking.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh yes, they work. Got off cigs OVERNIGHT years ago. Still vape because now I love the fantastical fruity flavors and have a fixation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why do people care so much if I have a vice? Why is everyone up my ass on this?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They help you stop smoking. In my experience they don't help you quit nicotine, they just manufactured all the joy out of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It depends by user really, but I've seen people getting addicted to all of the different fruity tastes even more than nicotine. E-cigs with taste have been outlawed in my country recently for that reason - people, especially young, often really vape/e-smoke for the flavours, untill they actually become addicted to nicotine in them. And, of course, the pandemic of single-use e-cigs which promote polution and are made with slave labour.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who told you e-cigs help you quit? All the people I know who used them, it was so they could use them inside, no intention of quitting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I smoked for over 20 years, and spent probably 15 of those years trying to quit. When I switched over to a vape pen in 2014 I had to be very cautious about which cartridges I bought because of the obscene nicotine levels in some of them. I can't remember the name of the brand, but there was one that helped me quit because they had a lineup that had a really low level of nicotine in them. After a year I quit without a problem. Just over 8 years now since my last cigarette and almost 8 years since I threw out the vape pen!

It can help, but you have to be very careful which vape juice you use.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't do shit for me. I could vape an entire cart and still want a cigarette just as much, if not more, than before I used the e-cig. The nicotine gum did a better job of curbing my cravings for a cigarette. So did Prozac; but that was given to me for depression and also gave me ED, so I mean... You wanna quit smoking or you want a working penis? You can choose 1. 😖

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My lungs felt better when I switched to e-cigs but my nicotine intake skyrocketed. For cigarettes I had to go outside and devote a couple minutes. With e-cigs I could do it inside and I could just take a quick hit or two as I was doing things. So even though I felt better I felt waaay more dependent on the nicotine, tons of hits throughout the day. I ended up switching back to cigarettes for a few weeks before I finally quit because I found it easier to stop. Still wasn't easy though. Good luck!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I smoked for a long time, switched completely to vaping several years ago and still do it. I started at nicotine level 24mg - supposedly the equivalent of a Camel or Marlboro - decreased gradually to where I'm now at the lowest nicotine level widely available in pre-made juices, 3mg.

Remember that nicotine at these doses is not harmful, nor is it a carcinogenic. What it is, is addictive, and the documented harm from the cigarette as a nicotine delivery system comes from the combustion.

With that in mind, I admit that I'm still comfortable with vaping after several years, my health has improved dramatically since then.
I can breathe much better, easier. Now I don't catch every single throat infection and flu of the season, and if I do catch one, it's now usually so mild that I don't even need medication to sleep with a clear nose.

What keeps me on edge is the pervasive anti-vaping sentiment, caused by the anarchic environment of the fledging vaping industry at the beginning, many nicotine delivery systems packaged EXACTLY like candy. A greedy gold rush attitude poisoned the well at the outset.
As an analogy, think Bitcoin and crypto.

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