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[–] 153 points 11 months ago (15 children)

This is great. Honest people like Steve and Wendell are great for Linux. Let's make sure, as a community, we don't give them a hard time about their distro of choice. I think bazzite is an excellent choice to start until they get comfortable digging deeper into the system.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Not everyone wants or needs to dig deeper though. If Bazzite meets all of someone's needs, good. The vast majority of people want an OS that just works out of the box.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Wendell uses cachyOs on his channel.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    He also mentioned Cachy as a viable option for Steve alongside Baszzite, with the caveats on both. I'm glad Steve decided on Bazzite. I'm a Cachy OS user myself, but I still like Bazzite for the purpose Steve needs it for. I think it'll be great and I hope he succeeds, genuinely

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I ran Arch for about a year and a half. It's great, you get the freedom to do anything you want provided you have the time and will to learn. Bazzite is the exact opposite: you can't do everything you might want, but you don't need to learn anything, you can carelessly play around in the little playground they setup for you.

    I use Bazzite on my 2 desktop PCs, Aurora on my work laptop booting from an external 1tb nvme ssd via an usb-C m2 caddy.

    It's pure bliss. I freaking love it. If Ublue ever disappears I'm fucked.

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    [–] 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (22 children)

    This is interesting because theres not a ton of direct Windows vs. linux game benchmarking, and now there's about to be. GN churns though a lot of hardware and testing.

    And excellent, because being linux, drawing attention to issues increases the chances of them getting fixed, whereas that is hardly the case for Windows.

    Arch (with KDE I presume?) + Bazzite is not bad either. There's a lot of handwaving over they should have chosen this or that distro, but they're both very popular in the gaming space, so I feel that's fairly representative of many distros.

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    And excellent, because being linux, drawing attention to issues increases the chances of them getting fixed, whereas that is hardly the case for Windows.

    This is the most important part of this whole thing to me. Imagine Nvidia watching Steve shitting on them for having horrible drivers on Linux and millions of people seeing that.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago* (15 children)

    although i prefer the arch distros for bleeding edge and rolling updates. Bazzite makes sense for testing because of the immutable.

    A lot of more experienced pc users might end up liking arch distros later in their life, but I would never recomnmend arch based distros to people who aren't comfortable with linux yet.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Experienced here, did my time in Arch, learned a lot, perhaps even more than necessary, now retired to Fedora, then Bazzite and Aurora-dev. It just gets out of my way nicely. Something, something, Bell curve meme, plateau of enlightenment meme.

    And I would absolutely recommend Arch to a technically competent gamer newcomer as the fastest way to get up to speed.

    Horses, Courses.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    NixOS is bleeding edge immutable, but it's like deep in the weeds

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    NixOS would be ideal for a purely testing, if I were setting a test bench I would definitely use Nix. BUT they also need to use something that people watching might be willing/able to use, and Nix has a very steep learning curve.

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  • [–] 73 points 11 months ago

    This is genuinely a new era in gaming, so exciting!

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  • [–] 64 points 11 months ago

    This is definitely something that has been coming for some time. Yes, I am a little surprised it has taken this long for a major channel know for hardware reviews for gamers to take this step... I would have thought that the popularity of the Steam Deck, and all of the handhelds that are now running Linux would have been a motivator.

    But it seems that Steve is really seeing that there is more of a progression of people not wanting to go to Windows 11, and the issues surrounding Microsoft's insistence on adding creepy features that no one asked for (like Recall) as the push they needed.

    And I agree, Bazzite is probably one of the best choices that they could make. The immutability of the system will allow them to have consistent images that won't change on them randomly. That is a definite requirement when dealing with this type of benchmarking.

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Can we count the mainstream tech tubers in recent months that have done these Linux/Bazzite videos?

    • As much as I hate ETA Prime, I think he was one of the first
    • PewDiePie
    • Toasty Bros
    • J2C
    • Dawid Does Tech
    • Ctrl Alt Rees
    • Digital Foundry
    • Lon.TV
    • Chris Titus
    • LTT soon
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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    LTT soon? They made a few Linux videos and still love windows too much to recommend it.

    Anti Commercial-AI license

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yes they're supposed to be doing a video with Linus Torvalds soon.

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    [–] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm a little confused by some of the discussion. Surely the problems they're talking about with variations in the test system also apply to windows. You result can be affected by:

    • Which windows updates have been applied
    • Which version of the drivers have been installed
    • What other software is on the system

    Linux is the same, but they seem to be more concerned about it. Can someone explain?

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago

    I think a big part of why they talked about it in the video is to explain their base assumptions for the test. They've discussed it with Windows enough that they don't need to say those anymore, but the Linux tests are new.

    In addition, they do need to change theur workflow simply because they can't use the same software and scripts for Linux.

    They're also addressing the reputation that Linux has among Windows users, even if that reputation is outdated

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Gamers nexus blocks updates on every test round. When they do update their test systems they block updates and retest all hardware in their charts. The software is also the same, besides platform or driver specific software. They truly go for reproducible and as less unknown factors as possible, hence the discussion

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    Nice.

    Very much so looking forward to seeing rigorous benchmarks of GPUs on linux.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    I'm a little surprised that they are planning on testing downstream distros like bazzite. It would make more sense to just stick to the biggest upstream distros like Arch/Debian/Fedora for benchmark purposes in my opinion.

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I disagree. Keep in mind that most people seeing the benchmarks will be windows users, and seeing Bazzite's gaming performance along with it's reputation for simplicity to set up and may help convince them to switch. Plus, anyone that had experience with Linux will know the link between it and Fedora, and can adjust expectations for theur particular distro

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They're aiming for "something the viewer can achieve themselves".

    99% of ex-Windows users won't be going for Arch, Debian or Fedora. It's supposed to be easy to get in, difficult to screw up.

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    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thid is great, from English speaking channels I only know AncientGameplays doing linux benchmark comparisons to Windows on gaming. *Spoilers: If you use AMD you're not leaving performance on the table, if you're team green... it's a work in progress.

    RT is currently still shit on Linux, but I don't use it anyway.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Honestly, it's about damn time.

    These technical people should be ashamed it took them so long to adopt Linux.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Sometimes you gotta be realistic that the majority of the population wouldn't have found Linux as friendly as many here are, even today, while Windows or is/was kinda the obvious mainstream choice for running any software... The balance seems to tip slowly, but honestly it took decades.

    Even today you're still all debating which distro that didn't exist 10 years ago is the best, and which office suite can match Microsoft's... How am I going to convince my non-nerd friends to use Linux over Windows in that context.

    About gaming, it's a matter of being able to run AAA games without issues, like, no bugs and anti-cheat problems. It's only since SteamOS that it is getting enough programmers and mainstream attention.

    This is the way, but once again it required the power of a dominant company to move the lines.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    That’s great! Love to see more GN and Lvl1 collabs!

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I just ordered a new GPU. I'm going to build a PC for the first time and put bazzite on it. I'm excited.

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