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That's two deaths. And they get a year?
If he hit a third cyclist, they'd have given him a medal
And a bonus
The short prison sentence doesn't bother me. Prisons are a social poison that we should be doing away with for all but readily and immediately violent individuals.
What fucks me up is that he's getting his keys handed back in six months. He's getting quick and untested access right back to the large machine that he already demonstrated he is mortally dangerous when operating. Doesn't sound like they're even going to test him on correct use. That thing you just killed several people and maimed dozens others while operating? Welcome back buddy, do it again.
IMO he should be doing several years of community service, primarily as restorative repentance in the community where the crimes took place, and having his license revoked for at least five years. Getting it back should require a higher barrier of testing than the default. Put a black box in that car and have it report everything for the first year.
Imagine he was a pilot or a forklift driver. He would never ever get his license back. That's what should be done here.
He proved that he's not capable of safely operating a car. Why should he ever be allowed that privilege again?
I absolutely agree on all points. I just meant that, in the current system, if the murder weapon was different, he would've been getting much worse consequences.
murder
not what happened here
Right, morality of prison notwithstanding our society does treat this particular murder weapon much more lightly than most others. Imagine his prison sentence if he walked into a store with a gun and oopsie whoopsie killed 2 people / maimed 11 others.
murder
again, not what happened here
Imagine if a gun misfire accidentally killed 2 people and maimed 11 more and you were primarily concerned with correcting what people called it. We all know the difference between murder and manslaughter, smart guy. The difference between you and everyone else in here is that we don't think emotional nomenclature invalidates concern for the lives of others. Like just think a little bit harder for one second, because you've demonstrated already that you have the juice to do that: Maybe our use of incendiary and somewhat inaccurate language was intentional? Maybe there is a social strategy at play here? And maybe, if that rhetoric upset you more that the deaths did, then perhaps people like you were it's intended target.
Or (to make the damage scenario a bit more realistic) went into a store juggling a hand grenade and whoopsie killed 2 people and maimed 11 others.
Totally on your side. A car is a super dangerous object, equally dangerous as a weapon, and driving one should be considered an immense privilege, not a right.
Car murderers can take the bus, and if there's no bus where they live, they can move somewhere else.
Car murderers can take the bus
okay that's great but that's not what happened here
perhaps the bunch of you are thinking of another case, as it isn't unusual to commit intentional, premeditated homicide with a vehicle. but TFA doesn't say that anything like that happened here.
He proved that he is too irresponsible to not kill people on the road for a miniscule benefit of his (getting home a little bit faster by not taking a break when he really needs one).
If this wasn't a car but any other means of killing people it would be called murder.
6-12 months, small fine, and 60 hours of community service.
And revoked driving licence during a part of his prison sentence.
Harsh, he won't be able to drive while in prison.
Sounds like that's what really pisses off Americans, not that they're in a jail per se, but that they can't drive while in there.
We're willing to tolerate the threat of abject homelessness as consequence for non-participation in the labor market, but revoking access to a car is seen as cruel and unusual because it makes access to that labor market more difficult.
It's the most hypocritical shit in the universe. We don't take a person's drivers license when they kill someone with their car because we insist on essentially making them homeless if they don't have one.
I honestly don't even get that point. Maybe they won't find a job where they live without owning a car. Then they should just move somewhere where there's jobs closer to their home.
what do you think he is? a dirty weed smoker? filthy immigrant? its not like he was feeding the poor.
It is because this was not an intentional act, they fell asleep, were distracted by fatigue, or something of the sort. Basically this person was too tired to drive properly.
In my country falling asleep on the wheel (or just driving a car while being too fatigued to drive safely) is a crime punishable with up to 5 years and that's if you hurt nobody.
Driving while fatigued is on par with driving drunk or under the influence of drugs.
Well you have to understand that conservative states are more worried about peoples' right to transit than their right to safety. As a result, these sorts of things always get a low punishment while things like marijuana get harsher sentences.
So same maximum sentence as the guy who threw a subway sandwich at an ICE agent? Would you then only get a one year sentence if you instead drove into a group of ICE agents? Hmmm.
I think Donald would love it if someone drove over a bunch of ICE agents. It would give him cover for his very real desire to turn the US military into a domestic police force beholden only to his commands.
The man accused of killing two people and injuring 17 others in Goodyear more than two years ago has accepted a plea deal.
On Thursday, Pedro Quintana-Lujan pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of serious physical injury or death by a moving violation at the Goodyear Municipal Court. He now faces between six months and one year in prison.
In addition to the pending prison sentence, he must pay $2,500, complete 60 hours of community service and submit to quarterly drug testing as part of the plea deal. His driver’s license will also be suspended for nearly six months.
wtf, he seemingly didn't do it intentionally but you'll probably get more for stealing from grocery store with 0 victims.
When you victimize a corporation, the state must make an example of you.
Corpos money are more valuable than peasants lives. That's america and always has been
If someone hits me while I ride my bike and they get off the charges like this. I will do what’s necessary to achieve justice.
Hit him back with your bike and get life sentence?
And now they'll pull this comment, call it premeditated, and put you away for life.
Pretty much.
Who ever wacked the ceo showed the way and it was not shit posting about it on public fora lol
With that being said, poli scie 101 dictates that if the state is not willing to provide justice, it is on the citezenry to get it done.
We failed to properly deal with the Catholic church pedos and now we are failing with the pedos running the regime.
Society can't heal under Hese conditions
I mean getting hit by a car is too often a special kind of life sentence of it's own.
The only justice here would be changing the road design, driver licensing, and training to prevent this from happening in the future.
The NTSB concluded that driver fatigue was to blame for the deadly collision
Fatigue is a known threat to safety. Fatigue is not discussed during driver training. An understanding of the dangers of fatigue is not tested during driver licensing. Roads can be designed to prevent known human weaknesses like distraction and fatigue from killing people. All of these things can be fixed. These deaths were preventable.
There is no justice in this case. Justice is not punitive.
In my country the punishment for falling asleep behind the wheel is up to 5 years in prison. That is if you don't hurt anyone.
And our laws are already crazy chill for drivers.
Murder people for free with this one simple trick! Cyclists hate it!
Not for free he had to pay $2,500. So murder costs $1,250
That's a bargain if you ask me!
"If you want to get away with murder, do it with a car" has been a common transportation advocate's refrain over in NYC for like a few decades at this point.
I had an instructor in college who was also a cop back in 2005 who told the class the same thing
Was the production on the take with that plea agreement. How can two deaths on the road with a perfectly working car be a misdomenor. Not enough evidence smh.
For purely academic reasons... What's the color of their skin?
Brown. Any follow up questions?
No but looks like criminal justice has broken a glass ceiling
Motornormativity is stronger than racism.
If he had been white he'd have 10 days of community service instead of 1 year and $2500.
Okay this is a hilarious interaction ngl
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