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[–] 353 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.

    For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?

    I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago

    The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the git client), and i think it fits the bill well.

    i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.

    if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like tailscale funnel or a reverse proxy server like caddy and a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.

    imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”

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  • [–] [S] 217 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big

    a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.

    Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.

    (*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.

    i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago*

    Even sadder: people who don't know that git is not the same as github.

    more than 80% of open source projects

    Really? I know that many OS projects are developed elsewhere and only mirrored on github. Even the Linux kernel. But maybe github's "coproduction" isn't read only.

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    [–] 172 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Are we moving to Codeberg now?

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I would like to but I do want some private repos.

    Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.

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  • [–] 150 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.

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    [–] 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.

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    [–] 76 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."

    You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Huge différence when you have an executive team that can say no.

    Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.

    I should have deleted my data earlier.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    You've still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new "vision" they have for it.

    If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So they're just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

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    [–] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that's published there if it violates somebody's terms of use?

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.

    We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft's. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.

    W.T.F.

    what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?

    Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Didn't this clown literally say like lastweek that if you're a dev and you're not using AI to get out? well...he's out and look what happens.

    Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago

    Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.

    Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So long and thanks for all the fish indeed

    And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    ... Was it ever since they got bought?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    We've been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)

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