Metro Vancouver transit: Highway 1 needs trains, not lanes : vancouver

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, the Liberal Party at a Federal level and the NDP at a provincial level talk big about going green, but then build a pipeline across the provinces and tell private citizens "by an electric vehicle".

How about some plans for high speed rail, instead, assholes!

I realize this is article is primarily about the coast but c'mon, for the most part we're wholly dependant on private industry for inter-city or cross-province ground-based travel, and for awhile we didn't even have that as Greyhound exited the country.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be fair, HSR across the Rockies sounds extremely expensive and extremely inefficient.

I don't think we're going to be fixing Vancouver's isolation anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I would settle for just lower mainland trains for commuting purposes. Chilliwack / Hope to Tsawwassen ferry would be nice. Or to YVR

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

sounds extremely expensive and extremely inefficient

And yet we need it, eventually.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not just expensive, downright impossible. The Rockies are volcanic, so boring a level tunnel through the base of the mountains is out of the question. They're also very steep, which necessitates a lot of switchbacks, sharp curves, and even a pair of spiral tunnels at Kicking Horse Pass. We can and do run normal trains through these lines, but the geography severely limits how fast we can move through the terrain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing stops a conventional sleeper train for Vancouver-Calgary though, right? Sounds like sleeper service would be ideal given the circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

CN already runs those, and from what I've heard they are indeed nice!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t think the Rockies are volcanic. I can’t find any sources to support that.

From Wikipedia

The current Rocky Mountains arose in the Laramide orogeny from between 80 and 55 Ma.[11] For the Canadian Rockies, the mountain building is analogous to pushing a rug on a hardwood floor:[12]: 78 the rug bunches up and forms wrinkles (mountains). In Canada, the terranes and subduction are the foot pushing the rug, the ancestral rocks are the rug, and the Canadian Shield in the middle of the continent is the hardwood floor.[12]: 78

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Volcanoes_of_the_Rocky_Mountains

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Rocky_Mountains#Terranes_and_subduction

There currently aren't any active volcanoes in the Canadian Rockies, but there is still magma towards the base of them that we'd run into if we tried to bore tunnels straight through. In theory, we could bore tunnels at a sharp incline to go over the magma; but that basically eliminates all the benefit vs just building rail lines on the surface like we already have, plus there's the added complexity of trying to make an earthquake-safe tunnel that crosses a fault line.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People who think HSR can be slapped up willynilly across the mountains, are poor students of history.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just requires political will. Something lacking these days with all lacklustre politicians.

Japan has had it since the 60s, so it’s definitely doable and they have similar mountain issues to Canada (tunnels anyone?).

It would cost billions or trillions in public infrastructure costs which would make cons even more insane than they already are though…

HSR across Canada and down to the US would be amazing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I imagine if any party in power talked seriously about making cross-country HSR happen, it would raise levels of public excitement that haven't been seen in generations.

I realize there are powerful interests that don't want the country to feel so unified (in multiple senses) and they would inevitably fight against it, but I bet it wouldn't take as much as people think to excite the public imagination over the possibilities this could bring for everyone.

edit Also, I'm sure any one of us who has used HSR (or even regular rail) before in other countries (and who don't have a direct conflicting interest in getting people into cars or planes) would sing its praises to anyone who would listen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the NDP at a provincial level talk big about going green, but then build a pipeline across the provinces

I think you misremember the NDP's continued resistance to the pipeline, which ultimately was located on federal land. Remember it was all a ploy to placate the Conservatives, and remember how poorly it did anything when it comes to placating that howling one-tooth mob next time.

and tell private citizens “by an electric vehicle”.

I am pretty sure this wasn't done by an electric vehicle specifically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah obviously that was a typo of "buy"

[+] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Although SkyTrain has been proven successful in densely populated urban areas of our region, SkyTrain cannot feasibly be expanded all the way to Chilliwack. This would incur travel times longer than driving and be prohibitively expensive to construct rather than exploring cheaper, faster regional rail technology.

it went out to Cultis Lake in the 1940s. It even carried fedex-type packages. It went to NorthVan, and it went to the Sumas border crossing on a spur.
a similar service was massively extended to similar distances before; and beyond. The most noticeable feature missing here is 'express' trains which pass by (most) local stations without stopping, staying at speed for much of the way and quickly escaping the dense metro.

Pushing people onto expensive regional tickets for their daily commute is a little "let them eat cake" elitist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised this wasn't already leading the docket tbh. Vancouver needs more train lines in general, because just the WCE isn't exactly cutting it.