"Breadtube" is not "the left", it's an edutainment personal lifestyle brand masquerading as a political movement.

I don't remotely care for BadEmpanada in general, but any online community dealing in "breadtube" ""content"" should have his video on the topic permanently pinned at the top.

churches are better at incorporating women then the left is at this moment in time.

Church organizations tend to have more funding and larger congregations, they tend to have more veteran organizers and larger pools of people to draw on, and they tend to leverage a moral imperative that's been baked into the congregation's social life since birth rather than formulating a rallying cry lots of westerners haven't heard in decades.

I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren't ready for leadership as they had not enough experience

Young organizations are going to struggle with finding and promoting leaders. Lots of this is going to be trial-and-error. The fact that DSA leadership is making a good-faith effort to equitably include people is good. However, simply establishing arbitrary quotas doesn't work, because the people you're appointing as "leaders" don't have a following.

This isn't even strictly an experience problem. Large organizations are often amalgamations of smaller cliches and social groups. Extended families, religiously inclined business owners, and neighborhood/school groups will make up pockets of support in the church that the folks at the top of the hierarchy have to court in order to get anything done.

So perhaps the problem isn't that the DSA needs more women leaders (or... more non-binary males? Woof) but more outreach to women's groups that already exist in the area.

Are there local junior leagues, nurses unions, PTAs, or... idk... church groups, that DSA members could collaborate with? Rather than looking for women to be leaders, perhaps you can look for existing leaders in the community who are also women?

Wow it's almost like strict demographic quotas and tokenism do not lead to societal advancement and instead have people being weird about it! It's the mentality of girlboss feminism that says that progress is when people who are oppressed in one way get to be the oppressors in a different way.

That's... incredibly depressing to hear.

and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out.

lol, lmao even

I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren't ready for leadership as they had not enough experience, they would burn out and leave with in a year or two and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

Isn't this a C. Derick Varn anecdote or were you also at a DSA meeting when this happen? If so I'll just had a correction that in Varn's anecdote DSA wasn't asking male members to identify as non binary, but 2 male members were talking to each other and one of them proposed doing that to fill the quota.

I think the point of the story is less "left bad at women" and more...don't put these quotas in place if they're not adequate

and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

jeeesus