Thumbnail is clickbait in the sense that the video does not address specific instances by specific creators, but is more of a call on everyone to reflect on certain behaviors we might/might not engage with. Just watch the first two minutes if that's all the time you have right now, but do that much at least.

Edit: Some people are taking quotes that the AI has written in a comment and acting as if that’s what’s actually in the video. It’s not. I thought it should be obvious that if you want to critique the video, you have to watch it rather than depend on an AI to to provide a a summary.

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[–] 45 points 3 years ago (14 children)

This. the ironic misogyny and vibes you get from these places is grating if your not a cis male. and as much as I liked true anon brace’s ironic misogyny put me off so much I stopped watching for a while. Like duh women don’t wanna listen to that shit! it got old when right-wingers and centrists do it, it literally just puts off potential leftists with the way some figures on the left operate. funny-clown-hammer is an egregious example of this as always.

What I’m saying that leftist men need to read feminist theory and do some unpacking about trans/cis women. It’s the bare minimum in 2023

hexbear-trans

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    [+] 43 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 44 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    churches are better at incorporating women then the left is at this moment in time.

    Church organizations tend to have more funding and larger congregations, they tend to have more veteran organizers and larger pools of people to draw on, and they tend to leverage a moral imperative that's been baked into the congregation's social life since birth rather than formulating a rallying cry lots of westerners haven't heard in decades.

    I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren't ready for leadership as they had not enough experience

    Young organizations are going to struggle with finding and promoting leaders. Lots of this is going to be trial-and-error. The fact that DSA leadership is making a good-faith effort to equitably include people is good. However, simply establishing arbitrary quotas doesn't work, because the people you're appointing as "leaders" don't have a following.

    This isn't even strictly an experience problem. Large organizations are often amalgamations of smaller cliches and social groups. Extended families, religiously inclined business owners, and neighborhood/school groups will make up pockets of support in the church that the folks at the top of the hierarchy have to court in order to get anything done.

    So perhaps the problem isn't that the DSA needs more women leaders (or... more non-binary males? Woof) but more outreach to women's groups that already exist in the area.

    Are there local junior leagues, nurses unions, PTAs, or... idk... church groups, that DSA members could collaborate with? Rather than looking for women to be leaders, perhaps you can look for existing leaders in the community who are also women?

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago

    Wow it's almost like strict demographic quotas and tokenism do not lead to societal advancement and instead have people being weird about it! It's the mentality of girlboss feminism that says that progress is when people who are oppressed in one way get to be the oppressors in a different way.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago*

    I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren't ready for leadership as they had not enough experience, they would burn out and leave with in a year or two and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

    Isn't this a C. Derick Varn anecdote or were you also at a DSA meeting when this happen? If so I'll just had a correction that in Varn's anecdote DSA wasn't asking male members to identify as non binary, but 2 male members were talking to each other and one of them proposed doing that to fill the quota.

    I think the point of the story is less "left bad at women" and more...don't put these quotas in place if they're not adequate

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

    jeeesus

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    I wonder which female creators she’s referring to when she says they’re not taken seriously because they’re denounced as too liberal or bougie. Personally I don’t take any of breadtube seriously, but the algorithm has only ever pushed Contra, PT, and…. That’s it as far as I can tell.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    And Contra is 1000% a bougie liberal. PT only like, uh, 98%. But if V**sh counts (and OOP counts him), then it's not like the men aren't reactionary slop-gourmands, with the better among them* just limiting what they say to the more pure expressions of that in media criticism rather than pretending to really do politics.

    Turns out liberalism is a fucking problem that needs to be combated!

    *This being a highly relative superlative

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Do I still have to watch this if I'm not a leftist?

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Do I have to watch it if I don't take breadtube seriously?

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 3 years ago*

    This, 100%. It's not about breadtube, but about patriarchy in leftist/activist communities. The "breadtube" part is miniscule. I'll say this again - if you're a leftist man, this is a must watch to help you kill the "patriarch within" even if you just watch the first 2-5 mins right now.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Pre-federation I would've known this was a bit on sight.

    Now I literally had to read your username and then check your profile to make sure.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago*

    This is not a bit. I am literally Tucker Carlson

    Mind if I grab you for an interview on my new show on X? We've had trouble securing new guests after my last interview where I got a hummer by the same guy who blew Obama to see if the story held up

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Can someone tldw this for me? I feel like she beats around the bush too much and doesnt go for the punches

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    [+] 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)
    [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You can't make me watch. I've never watched a bread tube video and I'm not starting now.

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