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Saikou - the best Anime streaming app on Android - got DMCA'd (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Even the Discord and Buymeacoffee page got taken down. This is larger than any other DMCA I know of

Edit: even the Telegram has been nuked. Yup, Telegram

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yet another reminder that GitHub is not your friend, but also that borderline projects shouldn't be hosted on anyone else's server other than your own, you'll possess all the repository data, but you'll also be made to shut down anyway if on the clearnet, so I wonder if it's possible to host a forge through Tor/i2p or others.

Still, this is clearly wrong on who sent the DMCA, the apps never host the content, I hope they can get back up.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

Exactly GitHub is owned by Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there are already many forges hosted through i2p, I imagine the same can be said for tor. That doesn't mean the host can't ban you there as well though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unlike three-letter agencies I dont think the copyright holders of some anime will be able to figure out who hosts you if youre behind tor.

Not that I think putting a repository behind tor would be a good idea when it comes to ease of use in submitting bug reports or contributions.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt this is larger than when MegaUpload got DMCA'd.

But yes, it's pretty big.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I mean any Anime related app takedown

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Imo this is why big projects that are borderline like this should use github alternatives, preferably self hosted solutions. This was always going to happen.

[+] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe they changed something since I used it the last time when it came out but I find the UI to be horrible.

It's a Manga UI used for watching anime. I rather have a UI with beautiful animations. Saikou has one of the most beautiful UI I've ever seen in an app.

While I love Tachiyomi (J2K) as a Manga reader and I think it's the best one on any platform, it's not great as a Streaming app designed as a streaming app (I know Saikou isn't just a streaming app and you can also read Mangas in it, but I rather use Tachiyomi for that)

Edit: just checked it out. Nope still a Manga app UI for an anime streaming app with horrible discoverability and you can't switch between different sources easily. The sources are cool I guess, but I don't need those. You also can't add something on Anilist and automatically have it added to your "continue watching" list.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switching sources def isn't a single button thing, but it's only a few clicks using the Migrate option in the 3 dot menu, it will transfer the progress you had in the previous source and the Anilist/MAL tracking.

Since I use AniChart's website directly I never missed that part being in the app, but it would be cool too.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

cloudstream!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It absolutely is, the extensions are brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hopefully they had backups elsewhere. This is why piracy apps need to at least try a little to not make their github so obviously a piracy app.

I hope @[email protected] updates reiverr to use open source movies from the blender studio for the images/gifs so it can be passed off as a media app for non piracy related streaming

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was pretty popular and had thousands of stars. It even trended on GitHub

So this was pretty much unavoidable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why is the DMCA the one area the government has apparently unlimited power and resources

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It's frequently laywers and companies appeasing them, not the government.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just use aniyomi, it's not locked to anilist

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But I like Anilist. And the UI and features of Saikou

The UI of Tachiyomi isn't made for Anime. It's a Manga app and it's great for that, but it's horrible for Anime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It has anilist too, that's what I use. I had never even heard of saikou before so haven't used it but I've never had any issues with aniyomi. It's perfectly functional in finding anything I want to watch and looks good. Can't do anything about your subjective preferences though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just that Saikou isn't just an anime streaming app. It's also an Anilist client. And it's beautiful and I love the animations and video player features like a skip intro button and it's generally just beautiful. You also can read Manga with it, but I honestly prefer Tachiyomi for that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aniyomi already has Aniskip (skip intros) integrated and can connect to your Anilist account to update your entries, automatically if you enable that, or manually.

I almost never go to the actual Anilist interface anymore, it works great.

I also use it to read a lot, and it has extensions for everything including Drama, Movies, Hentai, Porn...

For me it was always the best app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehh, not for me.

Like I said before it's an Manga app that added Anime streaming functionality. I still use Tachiyomi for Manga though.

With Aniyomi I can't easily discover new anime, continue watching ones I added on Anilist on my PC and have this beautiful UI with really good, switch sources with a press of a button and have these fluid animations.

Just look at this: Screenshot_20230929-184148

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It does look really nice haha

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Just try it. I backed it up. But you need to have an AniList account since it uses Anilist's API for a lot of features:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqwI_W0TvdXTh_8MwtVgL24_yBzNLA

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The dev of Saikou made an announcement on the Discord about this

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What the deuce is Chouten? I could not find a thing about it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol. Somebody reposted my post on reddit: reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/16v4jru/saikou_the_best_anime_streaming_app_on_android/

I don't mind at all and am kinda happy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any fork?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I think all were also dmca’d

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/09/2023-09-20-corsearch.md

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man when they finally git repo federation will be available...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is git repo federation? Why will this help?

I thought git is a very decentralized technology?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, Git is still centralized. Typically there's only one main location where work on a project happens - a Git forge like GitHub, or in the simplest scenario just an SSH server.

Federation will help because it will allow working on a project in one forge from another forge. You could e.g. create a pull request on your own self-hosted forge (e.g. Forgejo instance) and then submit that pull request on another forge that's hosted somewhere else. GitHub taking down a repo wouldn't be as annoying, since people would still have the main sources of their pull requests in their own forges. And GitHub wouldn't be able to remove their fork for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I believe that Git is decentralized. Because people choose to use Git hosting services doesn't make Git itself centralized. Git doesn't force you to sign up on GitHub, GitLab or Bitbucket. You can use git-appraise to get decentralized code reviews. You can use git-bug to get decentralized issue tracking. You can always send maintainers patches with the built-in send-email command as GitHub/GitLab/... require an email address either way. You can always clone and push the repository somewhere else. Most (self-hosted) Git hosting services provide an automated migration procedure for issues, discussions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

But that is already possible right now? Using a git forge is only a convention to make life easier, not something coming from git itself. You can have as many remotes as you like.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like Git x activityPub 🤔 seems doable, or where would be problems? Just something like pipeline, which creates an activity post including the commits🤔🤔

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not smart enough to understand it, but maybe these sites can help you see how they're doing it:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Forgefed looks very good, I’ll test that out 😃

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Gitea already has that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Question - What happens if we are hosting a Git repo ourselves, like using Gitea or something, and we receive a DMCA takedown request and we refuse? I mean, they can take down the domain, but what if weare hosting on a personal homeserver and keep changing domains whenever they take one down?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then it's your choice to comply, call their bluff, or do whatever you want. I've seen people who doxxed the DMCA sender and made threats towards the sending agent (the hoster was Russian).

Though best course of action would be to comply or ignore it, don't do what that guy did, best to keep quiet than to stir up trouble.

Outright refusal or ignoring it does come with the risk of litigation (threats can accelerate it or lead to prosecution) assuming you're within their jurisdiction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Legally, you cannot refuse. DMCA is written such that the host must take down first and ask questions later.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

They should upload the code on an .onion page

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

God damnit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you link their telegram?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's gone

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There must be a username/t.me link which is used previously

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