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[–] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Bring back 24 episode seasons, so we don't have to cram so much into 8 episodes.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Most shows like that though didn't "cram" much into most of their episodes though. They were often at least partially episodically designed where the cast just solved a weekly crime, or case or slayed some monster and then soft-reset at the end with only small effects to the wider season/series arc.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I miss episodic/monster of the week shows. Not ever single damn show needs to be serialised.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well to each their own, but a serialised show doesn't really work elongated out to 20 episodes a season. Unless it's a really long book series adaptation.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    One of the problems these days is that that they take a good concept for a movie, and stretch it into an entire series full of slow spots and too much exposition, when the whole story could have been tightly told in a 2 hour film.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The problem with a lot of those shows from back in the day is they were filled with a lot of filler, and I don’t mean the “monster of the week” in between larger arcs counting as filler. Writers said they didn’t have time to really care about all 22-24 episodes, so many were half assed. Then you have the budget constraints, which would lead to bottle episodes, because there never really was enough budget to make 22-24 episodes a season. Every once in a while you’d get people who try, and you’d get something like the famous Breaking Bad Fly episode.

    When Netflix started doing their own shows at 13 episodes, you’d get people complaining that they were just stretching it out to fit 13.

    Personally I think 12 or 13 episodes is a good balance and I liked that we got a higher number count on something like Andor. 6 episodes of something is often way too short.

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    I miss seasons being like 20 episodes long. Don't they have any idea how hard it is to keep finding new shit to watch when all their series come out 8 episodes at a time.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    After not watching them for at least a decade, I'm going back through the old Star Trek seasons (specifically Next Generation, DS9, and Voyager), and each season is between 22 and 26 one hour episodes. So much great stuff!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It must have been brutal putting out an hour long episode of sci-fi every two weeks nonstop for years and years. I don't blame studios for moving away from 26 episode seasons but 8-10 22-minute episodes with a new season not releasing for another 1-2 years is bullshit. It was funny to see this in Stranger Things where the kids gave gone from looking like 5th graders to fully grown adults in the span of two seasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yes and no I miss filler episodes in sitcoms and nonsense like star trek and comedies like IASIP.

    I detest making docuseries longer than 90 minutes unless it is outrageous and twisty.

    I did like non standard episode counts because I told myself they werent beholden to a certain number and could just tell the story but GoT ruined that theory.

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The counter to this is why not let the artists cook (hehe) unconstrained from somewhat arbitrary episode lengths. Those lengths were originally created to make a nice cookie cutter TV schedule. HBO used to actually brag about not being confined to set blocks of time and giving shows like the Sopranos the option of running long or short if they needed to.

    So in the days of streaming, why does that matter?

    Why add 10 minutes of filler to an episode that doesn't need it? Or cut important plot points that might not work well in different context because you're at 34 minutes already?

    Why not give a show room to grow and evolve (Ted Lasso is a great example)? And The Bear certainly fits this mold.

    As for Stranger Things, those are basically just three movies, not your traditional episodes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I point to Snyder's JL cut as an example against lack of restraints for artists in general. That guy clearly had no one to reign him in and it shows.

    Imo, working within restraints is what makes art/media pop. Obviously shoving everything into a single mold isn't the answer, but I don't think letting artists meander endlessly will result in anything particularly interesting.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I'm not too bothered by variable lengths but I do think the lack of time constraints can lead to bad writing and show making. If the episode needs to be 40 mins, fine, but sometimes it just feels like as no one is saying "cut this back, tighten it up" so episodes become uneven or series sprawl and never get to the end.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Disagree. I think a much more common problem is that there isn't enough good stuff to fill all of the available time, so the writers have to put more filler in and it makes the show terrible

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I like the length, especially when not constrained by broadcast TV time slots (e.g. you can get a few extra-long episodes for finales and such). I think my biggest gripe is the hyper-serialized format making every season a 10 hour movie.

    Getting back to the episode length, then I guess some series could benefit from being twenty, 30-minute episodes as opposed to ten 1-hour ones. Never thought I'd say this, but sometimes you just need a "filler" episode.

    Edit: Gonna tack on my second gripe. You only get ten episodes and then it's nearly two years between seasons for some shows. By the time the next season rolls around, I've completely forgotten the prior one and have to re-watch it to have any idea what's happening.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not even that, just have a nice arc that actually fits into a single episode rather than it be a chapter in a 10 hr movie. I consider most episodes filler because they can’t stand on their own and only make sense in the bigger picture which is frustrating if you actually want to want an episode in isolation and don’t want to binge a whole series in one sitting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I know the exact kind of episode you mean but a filler episode is the exact opposite, it's an episode that doesn't advance the plot in any way.

    I tried to find a term for an episode that can't stand on its own but came up short so I'd like to propose a term:

    Bridge Episodes.

    An episode that is useless without the episodes connected to either side.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Did an advertising block owner write this?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Really don’t care about length if it’s good. I hate they went back to releasing an episode week by week though. Give me the whole damn thing to binge. I can manage my own time thank you very much.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “Murderbot” has entered the chat.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    TV is just the new movie with sequels filmed back to back.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Disagree/personal preference. I like both at times, depending on mood/concentration etc.

    It's good to also do things that take focus for longer periods of time, to train staying focused. Too many shorts, TikTok etc. Reduce attention span.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Miss me with that, I love 60 minutes episodes

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Meh, I don't really care.

    Half the time I'm binging shows anyway so longer episodes means less interuptions by having to skipping credits and intros.

    And when the episode goes on for too long I can just stop it midway. I assume most streaming services support resuming of episodes these days (my selfhosted plex server does).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have a cognitive impairment so maybe that’s why but I can only watch shows with 10-30min length episodes. Longer is too much for my brain.

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  • I love long episodes. If i watch a show for a long time, i personally love seeing more of the characters.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Been watching through Modern Family for the first time and appreciate how many plot points they can fit into a 20-minute episode.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'd agree, they're getting too long. And it's not just TV shows, it seems like big movies and games are also too long too often.

    It's like every major work thinks it's the be-all culmination of human creativity. For the people who work on it, it may have that place of importance. But as a viewer, any given work is, by default, just yet another in a huge sea of art that might occupy my time.

    But also, I get it. When you find something you really resonate with, that you devour each second of, sometimes it can feel like the longer the better. You almost don't want it to end. And if you pay money for something, and it's surprisingly short, that can feel disappointing.

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