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Why do they consider racism, orientalism and lies disputed long ago "valid criticism". Not even mentioning the lack of humility or a will to learn, just constant snarkiness, smugness and an unrelenting feeling of superiority. Just please, engage with us on equal terms and don't be dismissive.

Edit: Don't go into the comments if you value your day...

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

on the contrary, Lemmygrad is a great place to criticize the CPC if you have actual informed criticism, whereas most instances won't allow that since genuine criticism requires acknowledging the many positive aspects of China's leadership

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never understood why people thought this would be a good thing. Growth for the sake of growth is meaningless. The best way to grow the community is by attracting sane people who are capable of having adult discussions. Focusing on a number of users is misguided. What really matters is sustainability. The only things that actually matter are having enough users to create content, having sustainable development resources, and enough funds for hosting the community.

Having a bunch of radlibs swarm Lemmy doesn't really add any actual value, and creates no end of problems. Thankfully, we can at least mitigate the damage thanks to federation.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree.

Alas the logic of capitalism is like a poisonous fog, seeping into every room.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Literally saw someone in that Beehaw thread talking about "we're a safe space for minorities" and shit complaining that they'd posted up a picture of Winnie the Pooh somewhere and got banned for it. They're literally just western-chauvinist redditors looking for somewhere to piss all over and call theirs.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yo as per our survey, more than 60% of our users don't identify as white, cis het males. Additionally we have users from literally over the world. Waiting to see Beehaw's survey.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Waiting to see Beehaw’s survey.

Some early data

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, actually being the minority here is very reasurring

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Łumało

Is this a transliteration of "wumao"?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes

Edit: Ł in Polish sounds like W in English.

wow > łał

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of the xinnie the pooh edits are racial caricature, ironically enough (skin tone)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To my knowledge, they're ALL racist charicatures

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's hard to say, since the meme began in China, but the widespread adoption in the US probably was connected to racist appeal

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

that they’d posted up a picture of Winnie the Pooh somewhere and got banned for it

Fuck around and find out.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I've seen that Winnie... Shit was even AI generated 💀

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yup, seen that thread. I reported some users calling Russians "orcs" and i was actually chastised in PM by mod who apparently think it is normal exchange of political opinions.

EDIT: And while the dehumanisation, bigotry, racism, orientalism etc. etc. comments still stands, this happens:

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

BuGiJu was doing a great job of contributing constructively from what I remember. Absolute bullshit on the mods' part. StalinsMoustache was correct but a bit low-effort and antagonistic, so it was to be expected (though I obviously don't support it).

At least it was only two days for the former, but still bullshit

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They are also doubling down:

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/729033

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/728499

Afaik that particular mod begged himself into modding today and immediately start banning ML's, exactly what ultras always do on reddit.

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/726337

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Wow, that's pretty pathetic

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

The problem is mostly 196.

Also some instances like lemmy.world seem to just approve anybody who's making a request to join. So all the idiots go there and then spread to other instances.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

It was always going to end with those losers setting up shop. But hey it's great to see that MLs are making great strides in geopolitics for humanity, and all the bootlickers from reddit can do is troll on lemmy.

They genuinely think flooding lemmy is going to help stop the multipolar world. Think about that for a second - how stupid you have to be and how desperate you have to be to resort to that. So framed in this way, we know that they will go the way of history and that progress marches on, ignoring their tears.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People like those in the comments are why I worry about my students from the PRC who want to study in the imperial core.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

I had a few classmates from the PRC when I was in college. At the time I criticized them and thought they were weird for only keeping to themselves and not wanting to socialize with people outside their group. Now I think I know why they were like that, and i don’t blame them.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be more worried about the savvy propagandists. Idiots in that thread can't even comprehend the perspectives your students would have from actually living in the PRC, so there will most likely just be a communication breakdown.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

True, true. I shouldn't worry about most of them. Perhaps the students are genuinely inoculated against such stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hadn't thought of it that way. Could you expand on it?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sure. A little background first, my students are relatively well-off and mostly did not succeed during their time in compulsory education. So, they decided to study outside the PRC, mostly because they had a small chance of making it into the better domestic universities.

Most students, at least at this school, go to either the UK or Australia. Though a few occasionally do go to Canada or the US. Of course, I don't feel comfortable actively dissuading the students from going (they get enough pressure from parents and other staff at the school), but sometimes I wonder if I should.

Anyway, looking at comments that infantalises an entire group of people just because they were born on a different piece of dirt, not to mention downright genocidal rhetoric, makes me think that students from the PRC isolating themselves from that sort of brain rot is a successful self-preservation technique.

Which, while answering the question of "why do Chinese students seem to only stick together." It feels like people who would comment in such a provocative way are just minutes from doing actual bodily harm to others.

But maybe I'm over thinking it and these folks have little or no chance of coming into contact with PRC citizens.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My best friend did education outside of China (her entire family has been living in US for a while but they keep declining her visa in spite of having no relatives anywhere else) and currently works in Europe. Two men from Poland kept harassing her at work with racists comments. No manager has ever done anything. They apparently won't get their contracts prolonged which is nice but for fuck's sake... She follows the Chinese community in the country she lives in and apparently racism got even worse as of late. I remember an ethnically Asian old lady got thrown from a high bridge into water a few years ago around there. My blood boils when I see sinophobes.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah Poland is mega racist and I hate having to ignore that shit sometimes due to managers also propagating racist stereotypes and using them for "jokes". Oh and don't let me forget the constant badmouthing behind people's backs...

I have an Indian friend, and when we were visiting a the city close to my home village he was getting looks, people were even looking behind themselves after we passed them. He felt uncomfortable to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Yea I had a Polish manager who literally banned an employee for making a communist joke (the employee wasn't even a commie and it was one of the low hanging "our" type jokes). He'd go on an unironic rant how black history month is racist towards white people and how he was oppressed because they wrote black with uppercase and white with lowercase. Polish coworkers joked how a person's gender cannot be told because they're Chinese and then they concluded Chinese is a gender... I don't like holding any grudges against groups but shit like this makes me wary.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does lemmy.world allow criticism of the CCP?

Am a little confused by your post, comrade. Exactly which SSR are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love you JucheBot1988, that made me chuckle

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

I just joined here a couple days before the Reddit thing happened. They're bringing all of what I didn't miss from quitting Reddit years ago. At least on the bright side I can mostly stay out of all that here.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Its a fucking nightmare over there. Left reddit because of this shit sad to see the other instances turning into reddit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I may have gotten that thread closed by making fun of someone's Winnie the Pooh picture.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hope people will realise very soon that the only civilised places will be the ones that make a point of federatimg with lemmygrad, with heavy moderation.

Then, if lemmy.ml and/or lemmygrad fails (allegory to ussr, Moscow), we will have to learn from those experiences and try a few new ones (allegory to Cuba, dpkr, laos) to figure out how to build something nice.

And then maybe some big instance will emerge (allegory to China), carrying lemmy and lemmygrad ideals, slightly off, but possibly with a better understanding of the internets inherent characteristics. And they will be criticised for dishonoring the legacy by people that didn't bother to build their own instance.

That's my humble forecast (and a joke, explanation in parenthesis) slightly inspired by history. Good luck to us all.

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