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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm just a little surprised there's not more pushback considering that Valve just did with CS:GO and CS2 almost exactly what Blizzard did with Overwatch and Overwatch 2.

CS:GO literally disappeared from my Steam Library and was replaced with CS2. I get that CS:GO's servers were already down, but it still feels wild to just wholesale remove it from people's libraries this many years later. I felt similarly about Overwatch 2, but Blizzard caught a lot more heat for that than I've seen from the Valve fan community so far.

I know CS:GO has been Free to Play for a long time, but seriously, this is kind of a big fuck you to any archivists who wanted to keep a copy around for history's sake.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I don't think this is really a fuck you to archivists any more than a simple update to the game is at any other point. I do agree that it's similar to what Blizzard did with overwatch only Valve didn't overpromise and underdeliver

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Valve just did with CS:GO and CS2 almost exactly what Blizzard did with Overwatch and Overwatch 2.

Except that Overwatch 1 was a paid game replaced with a version with broken promises.

I know CS:GO has been Free to Play for a long time, but seriously, this is kind of a big fuck you to any archivists who wanted to keep a copy around for history’s sake.

You had half a year to archive CSGO. Don't act as it came as a surprise or something. Steam emulators like https://gitlab.com/Mr_Goldberg/goldberg_emulator exist to play archived copies.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

CS:GO was a paid game originally as well.

You had half a year to archive CSGO. Don’t act as it came as a surprise or something.

For someone who isn't huge into CSGO, it actually did come as a surprise for it to disappear from my library today. Sorry not everyone spends their time making sure they know what's going on with every single game in their library. I'm literally finding this out for the first time today.

In all the reports of CS2 being released, this is the first I've heard that the new game would fully replace the old. Once again, I knew about that with Overwatch and I don't even play Overwatch because people were complaining about this before Overwatch 2 was even released. I was well aware it was getting replaced before release, simply because it was discussed and reported on a lot. There were numerous front page posts on reddit about it, months before release.

The same can't be said for CS2. It wasn't talked about a lot by anyone. I only was able to find one specific news article about how it was replacing the old game, after searching today.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you live under a rock, don't even take a short look at the news section of the Steam main view and because of this VALVE DID A BLIZZARD! OK...

Literally almost every gaming outlet and even many IT news pages reported about the announcement of CS2. It's totally on you. Don't blame others.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reporting the announcement of the game and talking about how it will replace the base game are two different things. Lots of articles about the announcement, very few about how it would replace the base game.

So you live under a rock

I'm an adult with responsibilities and over 300 games in my Steam library. I've got way better shit to do than make sure every time there's a new release that I'm going to lose games I paid for years ago. Jesus Christ man. Reported, you don't gotta be a dick.

EDIT: Lmao, went and downvoted all my posts after I reported him for being a fucking jackass. Stay classy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reported, you don't gotta be a dick.

Reported for what? You're the one throwing an insult against me by calling me a dick, not the other way around.

PS: You can just block me, you know ...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You realize you can be rude and uncivil without directly name-calling, right? The rule is "Be civil" not "no name calling."

So you live under a rock.

Mischaracterizing what I'm saying and claiming I'm blaming others, etc. Like dude, check yourself. Learn how to speak to others without being an aggressive asshole and maybe you won't deal with people reporting you.

I was just pointing out that Valve did the same thing as Blizzard, and you jumped down my throat for it because I guess you must be some Valve fanboy. Gimme a break, man.

EDIT: I'm not so much of a pussy that I need to block everyone who has been rude to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You calling me a dick and fanboy definitely is more uncivilized that the colloquial term of living under a rock, especially when you yourself agreed that you don't have motivation to check up on CS news. Fact is they announced it, it's no surprise, you not getting the memo isn't anybody's fault but your own, and yet you're too sensitive when someone just says that and feel the need to report it. Yeah....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps Blizzard is generally under more scrutiny than Valve. Not to mention, isn't it still possible to just download an older steam depot and archive that? Sure, it not being readily available via Steam's basic library makes it difficult to archive, but releasing this as a new game entirely may have caused more issues than it would have this way.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with all your points. I guess, to me, it's just a little silly that they're under less scrutiny for doing the exact same thing. If Blizzard received scrutiny because it was a anti-consumer choice, it doesn't stand to reason that people should ignore Valve doing the same.

I've been a big fan of Valve for twenty years or more, but I don't think it's particularly helpful to ignore when they do anti-consumer things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't really comment on the exact state of the games compared to how they were prior as I never played either of them. While the overall actions were the same, from what I've heard, the final state of each game is completely different.

From my understanding, Blizzard promised things and didn't failed to meet those promises leaving a worse product than what was there. Valve didn't do that, presumably.

Edit: I should also point out that wouldn't you have to consider it anti-consumer for a game to do a total overhaul of itself? That prior version will no longer be available? Same with really any update whatsoever. At what point is it no longer the same game? If Valve instead released this updates over the course of a year, is it still the same game then?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't CS: GO free and OW1 paid? That's a pretty big difference if they took away something you paid for vs took away something you got for free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

CS:GO went free around when PUBG came out. Before that, it was a paid game. I'm one of the many who paid for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I would say, Overwatch1 is css or cs-cz in your example.
And we still have them. Cs2 is just an big update, maybe not a whole new game.

I'm like you, I don't like these methods.

And the move in F2P has been made, and there has been a lot of complain at that moment.

Its not totally like the blizzard's move for me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oops, I clicked on this thinking it would be bout Cities Skylines 2.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, me too. The comment about it replacing CS(1) in your library scared me a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I was excited until I realized that the original was replaced with CS2 in my library. If it is different enough to warrant a new title, it should be entirely separate rather than being treated as an update to an existing game.