fuck kanye
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Fuck Kanye but at the same time he's one of the most important and influential musicians of my generation and you bet your ass I'm gonna listen to it and everything he'll put out from now until perpetuity. I'll just pirate it so he doesn't get the proceeds.
It's sound really weird to me to listen to an artist because he's influential and popular instead of doing it because you really enjoy his music
I always wonder about this. I like Kanye's older music, but it feels like he told y'all that he's the most important and influential musician of our generation, and everyone believed it.
He put the light on some shit and made it popular, but he was never really an originator of anything. Dude was just real popular
Are you serious? Dude completely changed hip hop, multiple times. Absolutely massive innovator in production style, and basically created the chipmunk soul style of production. He would be considered one of the most important figures in hip hop even if he never even released an album, just for his production work with Jay Z.
The College Dropout was a landmark record for hip hop, for many reasons.
Then he had another landmark record in 808s, popularizing the use of auto tune and melodicism in hip hop (not a trend in hip hop I loved, but you can't deny the influence here).
Then he had another landmark record in MBDTF, bringing hip hop to the absolute front and center of pop culture. Completely bombastic and basically the HH equivalent of a stadium rock album. Collabs with Justin Vernon and samples from King Crimson brought in fans of rock to hip hop like never before.
Yeezus is slowly showing itself to be more and more influential as well, though this one was delayed a bit but we're seeing more and more high profile disciples.
Anyone that denies the influence of Kanye is completely ignorant. He's a piece of shit, sure. But his music has been incredibly important and to deny that is absolutely ridiculous.
What did he change though, that wasn't already a growing wave?
Conscious rap has been a thing since the beginning of rap, 808s/ Cudis style, Yeezus/Death Grips.. He gets credit for soul sampling, which can be seen plenty in RZAs work, and huge with Erick Sermons Music before Kanye was into it
And rap was already pop before 2010. Wayne was on every pop song remix in the c3 era
I just think dude gets to much credit for innovation because of his fame.
808s was the stadium album, I couldn't credit MBDTF with drawing a rock crowd to hiphop. For one Run DMC had that shit decades before.
He popularised some stuff, like autotune but he didn't start the wave.
I think the truth is between both of you guys.
808s, his most depressive album of his career is his stadium album? Was this a typo? I could accept Grad maybe.
I actually did mean Graduation, the one with Chris Martin and all.
nah lol he said this and you subscribed
The secret track is called Gott mit Uns
I'm personally kind of torn on this. I haven't listened to a Kanye album since he started talking about liking Nazi's last year. On the other hand, this is a leak and doesn't directly benefit him in any way if I listen to it. Not sure if I'm going to check it out personally but I wanted to let anybody interested know it is out there.
I'd imagine the phone or computer you are on puts more money into terrible peoples pocket than streaming some dickheads music ever will. And I'd also bet if you stream the best person in the worlds music, dickheads will still get money from it
Basically, I get not listening to dumb mfers on principle, but dickheads will always get some of the money you spend ha
You aren't wrong, but if I can cut 1 dickhead out of the equation at no real negative impact to me, then good.
I ended up deciding not to listen to it in the end. Even if listening to leaked songs doesn't profit him directly, I can't in good conscious be entertained by a nazi.
Yeah, I just don't like modern Kanye. Maybe it's his whole shtick affecting my opinion, but I just don't enjoy listening to it anyway. It's nowhere on the level it used to be even if people keep praising it like it is.
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. I think you're right.