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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[-] [email protected] 3 points 37 minutes ago

it's the journey that counts?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

The friends we made along the way <3

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

You actually think they were there to stop the Taliban?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

Absolutely. The plan was to do in Afghanistan what we'd done in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Argentina and the Philippines.

We wanted a local aristocracy beholden to the US business interests with a police force willing to brutalize dissidents. Taliban wasn't that thing, so they needed to be supplanted.

Problem was, the Afghan aristocracy that the US aligned with were more vile than the Taliban and rejected by the public at large. So the US spent 23 years killing everyone who refused to submit to them.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago
[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

I might take this with a large grain of salt. My man is a neocon's neocon.

If you dig into Afghanistan's history, particularly with regard to the Soviet Union, there were a lot of parallels between the quasi-socialism of the Soviet occupation and the quasi-liberalism of the American occupation.

In both cases, the occupying army tried to subvert self-determination of the Afghan people. Trying to claim The Taliban as a product of US policy against the Communists or a product of Islamist policy against the Christian Nationalists really misses this as an ongoing effort by Afghanis to secure their own brand of domestic nationalism.

Get down to "Who is responsible?" Rubin doggedly insists that (a) US support for the Taliban in the '70s was worth the price, entirely to keep Communism out of Pakistan. And (b) we are the victims of imperfect policy rather than our own hubris.

Both beliefs are ultimately misguided, even if his history is a fun read.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago

but can we agree OPs title is useless? the reminder does neither help nor explain anything. no one won anything. there is no likeable party.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 hours ago

TBF, withdrawing was a Trump era decision that Joe Biden simply didn't stop. Trump also released 5,000+ Taliban Fighters just before. I feel like if we didn't elect people like Donald fucking Trump then the outcome might have been different, it really seems like he was intentionally causing these problems.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I remember Bush had withdrawal plan he started putting in action, then Obama had one, then Trump had one, then Biden had one

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Trump absolutely didn't have a plan unless the plan was to fuck everything up.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

At every stage, the US lost more and more territory. By Biden, they'd been hedged into Kabul like the US was backed into Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War.

The idea that we could have just camped out and refused to leave was politically impractical and logistically incredibly difficult. And why would we have been there, except to periodically fling bombs into neighboring territory?

We'd lost the war a decade earlier and simply refused to admit it. By Biden, it was a farce. We didn't control the country in any meaningful way.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

We learned that the Taliban can be right here in your own backyard, and the most important thing is the oil deals you make along the way.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

I didnt know about any of this. The article I read mentioned they offered to put him on trial prior to 9/11 too for his other crimes in the 90s. America is literally the idiot bully who yells over anything you say and then eventually punches you in the face while you are confused.

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