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To anyone who supports capitalism or otherwise opposes socialism:

Do you support the idea that one man can accumulate enough wealth to own all land of this Earth, making everyone born in his empire under his rule as long as he can kill to defend it? What prevents capitalism from accomplishing this in law? What law exists that limits the borders of nations?

Why, then, must we endure a system where a single man owning the Earth and enslave it is a feature, not a bug?

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I just wanna know what people think. Why must this be maintained? Why is any opposition to capping wealth just the end of the world when it probably would save it, just logically thinking it through?

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

I mean, I'm not the person these questions are addressed to, but this isn't really an effective way of communicating socialism or questioning capitalism, so to answer some of your specific questions:

  1. Regulations exist to prevent "one man owning everything in law" Anti-monopoly laws have worked to an extent in the past. They're stripped away or gone unenforced in late stage capitalism, but you specifically asked what law stops it... those laws. I'm not saying they are a sufficient or permanent solution, just answering the question.

  2. No law exists that limits the borders of nations... but that has nothing to do with capitalism, nor is that solved by socialism. If anything, late-stage capitalism has made a lot of borders relatively stagnant, as international corporations freely cross borders without issue, and abuse them for easily exploited labor and tax havens etc.

  3. Capitalism isn't strictly speaking a system where "one man owning everything" is a feature... that's just a dictator. This isn't something that any capitalist would think they support, so asking the question like that doesn't really open up the discussion.

Capitalists are more than happy, for example, to run franchises, where they exploit all the revenue but take on none of the risk of ownership. Or to use third party contractors, to take on none of the risk of lawsuits or unions. Or to sell part of their company stock to the public, to ensure their wealth and revenue stream is propped up by the wealth of others.

In short, capitalism isn't about owning everything... it's about extracting as much of the available wealth as possible with as little risk as possible. Which isn't limited to capitalism, but it is heavily incentivized by capitalism.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

There's sort of an unstated rule that capitalism needs black markets / organized crime to work, so, criminals would stop this

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

this is an interesting analogy that i haven't heard before. it doesn't seem like a fully fleshed out analogy though. it jumps between concepts without making the links apparent.

would anyone like to expand upon this analogy for us? how do we get from ruling everything, to killing, to borders, to law, to economics?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

This is the first anti-capitalism post on Lemmy I can agree with. Not because I think capitalism is bad (but what we see now actually is bad and ugly, no question there), but because it poses a valid question: if you are against whatever looks like socialism, go on and explain how current fuckery should be the norm. Thank you for posting this

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

It’s an interesting and hard problem. Because most billionaires don’t own billions in cash - they own companies that are worth billions. These companies also don’t have billions of assets - they are valued at billions by investors.

The problem is that musks and bezoses of the world didn’t start with billions - they started with millions and lucked out. So to prevent this from happening you need some system that can fairly catch a moment where a business becomes too big and do something about it.

You can’t really cut the majority owner out, because well they own the company - you can’t just take away what they own. But you can’t really pay them some ceiling cost either - you’ll just end up making someone else a billionaire.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

I look forward to seeing an evolution of thought, theory and practice in the next few years.

I think there are effective ways to undo this problem that are not born yet

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

UHMMM AKSHUALLY (🤓) a single man cannot own all of earth, given how liberalism is heavily propagated and maintained by concepts such as nationalism and by extension xenophobia, racism, bigotry - all that fun stuff.

If a single man or an entity tried to create some pan-cosmopolitan world where every piece of land is under a single world-wide country, you bet your ass there's gonna be countless of reactionary national liberation movements to proclaim sovereignty.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 11 hours ago

If we hate capitalism and want socialism, we need to recognise that most people do not really know what those words mean, or are even intimidated by them. We need to use very plain language - fewer isms - if we want to bring people with us. Otherwise we are just preaching to the choir.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

Tim Walz's attempt to rebrand social democratic policies as neighborliness might be a good start.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

No doubt, but I'm talking to people who care about the term capitalism so much that they'll be considered "pro capitalism." That's fine if you're not a capitalist, but I'm not trying to argue that people who are already not pro capitalism should be against it, I'm trying to argue that people who are pro capitalism should be against it.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 12 hours ago

anyone who hates socialism must hate driving their truck on all of those free roads.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

And they should pay the fire department for saving their home.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

If only one man owns everything, then expropriation would be really fast in theory

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Not if he's surrounded by dead bodies, but capitalism can't prevent that either.

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