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TLDR - what’s the question mark in the following scale

Cult(-1)……………….Religion(0)……………….????(+1)

Long version (a.k.a my stupid mind’s question that is keeping me awake):

My understanding of cult is a group of people with an absurd or even possibly nefarious belief system. Like something negative.

By that definition I would put religion in the middle (though a majority of it leans towards the cult side). A group of people that is very serious about what they believe in, no matter how illogical it is.

So with this understanding what would you call the positive side ? A group of people coming together to have a tradition and belief system just for the fun of it ? Is there such thing ?

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

My friendship.

It's full of love, support, and it's free.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are different kinds of cults. Cult is a different thing from religion. It doesn't belong on the same axis. But we can continue the thought if we define it as religious cult.

The scale is about excessive binding, control, rituals, restrictions, belief systems. If the left is the extreme, then towards the right we have weaker restrictions upon the belief system. The belief becomes weaker, and the beliefs do not have to restrict other and own people's activities and beliefs.

Religion in the middle makes no sense. It should be the label on the scale. "Religious extremism" or similar. Maybe narrow, restrictive, totalitarian.

I don't know specific terminology for the right side. Maybe open or unrestrictive practice of religion.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

The key difference between religions and cults, is the level of restrictions on outside information.

On that scale cults are at one end, religion in the middle, and science at the other end.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I don't like to see science presented as a belief system. Science is a tool for establishing fact about the natural world in a methodical and reproducible way. For debating the existence of gods, you need philosophy.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

A community in which everyone has equal power and acts in solidarity with one another

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Belief , like the traditional cult of the ancestors in China, where you have no "priest" or "guru", it is just a bunch of people relying on elders to mimick the rituals, but in fact nobody remember it well, it is all disorganized, and nobody is really checking for "correctness" as much as checking if the commitment is done with intent. So the opposite of having a strong vertical domination by one person (cult) or an organized institution (religion) is a weak control of the rites by anyone (belief)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Bowling league

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

First and foremost, not all cults are negative. From that point we can have the scale be cult specific.

Negative Cult(-1) - Benign Cult (0) - Positive Cult (+1)

The opposite I would assume would be non spiritual groups of people who connect in another way outside of something "spiritual", without a set standard for beliefs provided by a singular leader required to be member to the group.

Negative Group(-1) - Benign Group (0) - Positive Group(+1)

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Ok, I'll bite. Can you give me your definition of a cult? And then a positive and a negative example?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

A cult is a group of people with extreme devotion to a person, place, object or idea.

Negative: The Peoples Temple

Positive: The Satanic Temple

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Philosophy or science?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

book reading club?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I don't think this is smth that is to be put on a scale.

You can force the matter by choosing a narrative.

I mean you could argue for self deification, science, totalitarianism. Anything could be forced to make sense.

Now from your angle, where a groups beliefs offer predominantly positive benefits, eco restoration groups, foss folks, creative commons collective etc.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I would say philosophy.

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