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Over the past few days, I've witnessed a remarkable surge in the number of communities on browse.feddit.de. What started with 2k communities quickly grew to 4k, and now it has reached an astonishing 8k. While this exponential growth signifies a thriving platform, it also brings forth challenges such as increased fragmentation and the emergence of echo chambers. To tackle these issues, I propose the implementation of a Cross-Instance Automatic Multireddit feature within Lemmy. This feature aims to consolidate posts from communities with similar topics across all federated instances into a centralized location. By doing so, we can mitigate community fragmentation, counter the formation of echo chambers, and ultimately foster stronger community engagement. I welcome any insights or recommendations regarding the optimal implementation of this feature to ensure its effectiveness and success.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

For what it’s worth, I’m VERY much for this.

One of the pain points for those coming into this to fill the Reddit void is fragmentation. Beyond being a huge improvement in usability, information would be shared much more easily this way. For someone who spends a lot of time in IT/tech related subs, that’s very important to me.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I like the general idea of merging communities, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of it being automatic. What if instead communities could apply "hashtags" for their community, and then you could efficiently browse multiple communities at once. For example, I'm subscribed to a few different TTRPG communities across a few different instances, but what if each of those communities was tagged "#ttrpg" and then I could browse #ttrpg instead of browsing any of those individual communities.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cross-instance "multireddits", that are also automatic and topic-based. #1113

TL;DR: The suggestion is to implement an automatic multireddit feature in Lemmy that displays all posts from communities with the same name across federated instances. It aims to promote decentralization, avoid echo chambers, and ensure high availability. Community moderators would have the option to opt-in or opt-out their communities from being displayed. There are discussions about potential issues such as community name collisions, duplicates, abuse, and practical implementation. Some propose using a new link format, while others suggest providing users with a list of related communities.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I can definitely see name-collisions being an issue, where communities on different instances have the same community "ID", but aren't actually about the same thing. I'm still overall in favor of the basic idea though.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

How will this help the posters reach the fragmented communities? Will they just pray that everyone is using the the aggregator?

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Hmm, I don't disagree with the fragmentation but that's the nature of any new social platform. It's also been proven out that eventually one or two communities for a topic will become the dominant one with the others falling into disuse.

Attempting to merge communities early or artificially will cause moderator strife as minor disagreements balloon. Especially in a multireddit community where no one mod(team) has absolute control.

I don't have a reason from a technical point of view, but from a social one. Forcing communities and instances together early will only cause strife. After a few years where two communities have a track record and proven 'behavior' would the multireddit not cause issue.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Every moderator would have control only over the content displayed on their instances, and not on everyone else, as it should be. The argument about having one or two large communities is a recurring one. There is no reason to have federation if we are going to centralize communities in a couple of instances. Then, if one of those instances shuts down, everyone in those communities would have to migrate. The main benefit of federation is decentralization.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I am working on a multi lemmy manager that Id love to get some alpha testers to.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

As a web fronted, or mobile app?

I'm using jerboa (android app) and would find an equivalent of reddit's 'multi' system useful. I'd likely switch to an app that provided that. I wonder if it could be implemented solely within an app, or if it would need backend support from lemmy.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I don't really know what that would entail but I might be interested.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm interested to test it!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I see very little discussion about the implications of this for moderation, and it feels to me like they get very sticky. With traditional human-curated multi-reddits, you as a subscriber must engage with the idea that you are choosing to aggregate multiple communities into a single feed, which is intuitive enough, the subscribed feed already works that way.

But by making it automatic, the software hides the fact that it's pulling together discrete feeds from communities with different rules and different moderators. This feels very awkward to me. I'm all in favor of traditional multi-reddits, which can be used to create this sort of feed for yourself. I'm still on the train of "duplicate communities will sort themselves out if community discovery is made much easier and popular communities reliably show up at the top community searches, mostly irrespective of what instance the search was performed on" (obviously defederation takes precedence here).

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Sounds like something. I don’t know enough about the tech to provide a meaningful comment but I can see the problems you’ve mentioned and something doing these lines sounds like it could be a good solution.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I don’t think I’m understanding this right cause it sounds like you’re trying to make it more fun by adding more rules. If there are 20 groups that are all about pickles that’s fine they each like running things their own way. Eventually one group gets popular and that’s where the majority goes. I think your frustration could better be solved with something like tags where groups could choose to associate certain tags words that makes search easier like tag: pickles-fermenting-homemade-cucumbers and that could clear up search from people just wanting to share pickle Rick memes.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The thing is that say i want to see all the pickle content across the lemmy-verse, i want to just be able to subscribe to an umbrella "pickles" category and get all the c/pickles content from any instance my instance federates with without worrying that i missed a community or something. If there are 20 groups but i only know of 1 or 2, odds are that i'll miss the biggest ones with a bunch of pickle content that i want. And I don't want to have to manually go through, search for all the biggest instances, and subscribe to each pickle community one by one. Plus, say a new instance is started and it's pickles community blows up. I'll miss it because i already searched through and subscribed to all the pickles communities that were available when i joined. I'd rather default to subscribing to all the c/pickles communities my instance sees, and then if one instance is posting stuff i don't want to see i could manually exclude them

Tldr I guess it depends what you think will take more effort to do manually. I think having to manually find and subscribe to every community i want from across the lemmyverse (and periodically run the search again to find new communities) would be way more work than subscribing to every c/pickles my instance can see and manually excluding the instances or instance-specific-communities i don't want content from

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm new to the whole concept of federation, so please let me know if I'm missing something fundamental, but with your proposal (subscribing to all c/pickles) works for when each instance has the same general rules for posts, but what about when one c/pickles on some server is actually about... dildos? (like r/trees was about pot, and r/marijuanaenthusiasts was about trees)?

Wouldn't your feed be polluted with pics and reviews of dildos when you want wholesome and healthy pickle recipes?

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