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[–] 308 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Oof he isn’t convicted but the media isn’t saying “allegedly” in headlines for him. Shows how they’re trying to sway public opinion.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Public opinion is already swayed. Luigi Mangione has become a symbol to a lot of people and as such the super-rich want to punish him.

    I bet they are more scared of the symbol than they are of the thought that Mangione is innocent and the real shooter might still be free and plotting another hit.

    The "real shooter" would only be one person, but a symbol has the power to create 10 or 100 more or to spark a violent rebellion and that they can't let happen.

    Innocent or not, it's unfortunately Luigi Mangione they need punished in the most horrific and exemplar way possible.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's actually very surprising - it starts with "DA says" which is presumably their defamation defense, but usually the lawyers wouldn't let that pass.

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    [–] 161 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson

    Has he already been convicted?

    Terrible headline, but I can only guess that "Business insider" would rather defend a corrupt CEO than the victim of insurance hell.

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    [–] 138 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson"

    Objection, baseless speculation.

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  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (74 children)

    This post either needs to be removed or retitled. Luigi is not convicted and this perpetuates a huge problem in the US of assigning guilt to people through public opinion.

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  • [+] -46 points 1 year ago* (72 children)

    There is nothing here stating Mangione has been convicted of anything.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    "after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson" is the problem - he allegedly killed that guy

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  • [+] -33 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    "DA says..." This is not the author making that assessment, it's the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.

    There's no obligation for a reporter to insert "allegedly" where it was not stated.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    It's saying he murdered the CEO, when he has not been proven/convicted of doing so. How are you a moderator making decisions like that?

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  • [+] -54 points 1 year ago (45 children)

    If nobody believes he killed the CEO then everyone needs to immediately retract all the Luigi memes.

    It's clear he shot the guy, the only question is how justified it is.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?

    Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.

    Unless you were present at the time, you've seen some videos. Perhaps it's not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.

    Proof first.

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  • [+] -30 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Lemmy isn't a court of law, neither is the Internet. It's pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn't, we wouldn't have the hero worship.

    What the court is going to decide is if he's justified or not.

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    [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He didn't kill anyone though. He's innocent.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I know it's uncooth to dehumanize anyone, but CEOs like Brian murdered (and the rest continuing to murder all day every day) more people than any serial killer in history because they oversaw automating the process of selling the confidence scheme and then murdering the marks when they threatened the profits of the confidence scheme when they got sick.

    People like Jack the Ripper and Ted kaczynski were pathetic, inept hobbyists at mass murder next to an American "healthcare" ceo, and it isn't close.

    And we don't hold them in even lower regard solely because they do it to get ever richer, which is the only practiced American religion.

    As humans go, Brian was somewhere between a serial killer and an even larger scale mass murderer like Adolf Hitler in terms of his practiced inhumanity, maybe he should be dehumanized a little.

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    [–] 59 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If that's terrorism then what do we call the death and pain caused by pursuit of profits?

    If they want to have a discussion about labels, it's not gonna go well in front of a jury.

    At every step defense should be asking the jury:

    If you had been killed, would this be happening? Why are lives valued differently

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    [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So how many of the execs said, “This job isn’t worth risking my life for” and quit? How many of them said, “Maybe we should examine how we do business and change.”? How many of them said, “My God. We’re killing people. I’m out.”?

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like Luigi's perceived actions created jobs and fostered better health for the community at large.

    Someone put this man in government

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Luigi Mangione allegedly killed CEO????? Are we just dropping that now????

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    40x~$75$/hr = $3000/hr they're willing to spend instead of giving you insurance you paid for

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    And not a single one of them paused and went "wait, maybe the choices we're making are the problem here?" Instead, it was "keep being evil, but now with bodyguards!"

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    That sounds like a "Them" problem and has no bearing on the case Mr. DA

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    what defendant considered a deadly greed-fueled cartel," Seidemann wrote.

    I mean, what are they, then?

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    [+] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Have you ever tried not being an asshole?

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If your job requires armed professionals and costumes,you shouldn't be in business

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Good. They should live in constant fear.

    Industrialized social murder should be a dangerous profession.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Did they consider not being evil shitbags?

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why should 40 assholes hiding from someone who is already in custody gave any bearing on his case?

    My gf dyed her hair last week, must be a criminal in chains somewhere!

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    I mean the easiest solution is not to work for a hostile company and a public enemy/threat.

    Those companies, and that one notoriously, kill 1000's so they are a hostile enemy, actively attacking the populace.

    Now I know legalese will fancy it up, but shit smells. Can't hide it.

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  • [+] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    So you're saying that whoever Luigi is taking the wrap for is a job creator?

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  • [+] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    They'll do anything to save themselves except for stop being evil.

    Sometimes I wonder if those second-tier execs are even more culpable than the CEOs. Like, we expect CEOs to be psychopaths. But those second-tier guys that got a seat further down the table, off the back of a good degree and a few decades of hard work? They know what they're doing is wrong but choose to go along with it anyway because they're just following orders.

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    Keep them afraid.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    Good. Something to consider when you're making life and death decisions for other people in the future.

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  • The sad thing is that I am sure they will pass the cost onto the customers.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    So, the options are "not milking the sick for profit" or "getting bodyguards"

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