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[+] -33 points 1 year ago (22 children)

"DA says..." This is not the author making that assessment, it's the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.

There's no obligation for a reporter to insert "allegedly" where it was not stated.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    And the DA is wrong for saying that, alongside the reporter for not correcting them.

    You sound like the type of person Brandolini's Law is based on.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    If you ever created, shared, or upvoted a Luigi meme, then you agree with the sentiment.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Do you have some evidence to suggest that they've created shared or upvoted such a meme?

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Nope, I'm saying it's been prevalent on Lemmy and that everyone who created, shared or upvoted that content has absolutely no basis for going "Presumed innocent!"

    If you think Luigi's a hero, you have no basis for saying he didn't shoot and kill thr guy.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    You're making speculations about random commenters to justify speculations about Luigi

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I'm addressing the hive mind who simultaneously believes Luigi is a hero but also somehow did not kill a guy.

    Both of those statements cannot be true at the same time.

    Lemmy loves Luigi and cannot stand the idea that he's anything but an avenging angel sent from heaven.

    If you believe that, you can't also believe he didn't kill anyone.

    This is different from the common phrase "he didn't do anything WRONG." Which recognizes that, yeah, he killed the guy, but it was justified.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wrong, it's entirely possible for a person to make memes celebrating him as a symbol of resistance while also acknowledging the very real possibility that he's innocent

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We can celebrate the ideal of a person willing to fight back while still defending the actual person who may or may not have been the person who did it.

    "Luigi" is gestalt:

    1. An ideal of a person willing to fight for all of us against an oppressive system
    2. A Human who is charged and not yet legally proven guilty of a crime; who may or may not be a scapegoat

    We hail as heroes those who fight against oppression even when, and often because, their fighting breaks 'the rules.'

    If Luigi shot this CEO, then he deserves our respect as a hero: A person who has sacrificed to remove a serial killer who was above the law. If Luigi did not shoot this CEO, then he deserves our support as a victim of the above system.

    Sharing memes and keeping him in the public zeitgeist supports both.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Imagine changing your perspective based on new evidence? That really couldn't be you.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I'm open if there is new evidence, so far I'm not seeing it.

    We have photographic evidence, clearly showing his face, of Luigi in the area wearing the same clothing as did in the shooting video.

    Then, on capture, they find the gun used in the shooting.

    So, yeah, he plugged the guy. Criminal liability is a different question. Murder? Manslaughter? Justifiable homicide? That's where the court comes in.

    You don't need a guilty verdict to say he killed the guy.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    No, you have the cops word that those things are true and nothing else

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No, we have video evidence and are fully capable of seeing things for ourselves.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You misunderstand... Nobody has to have personally seen him shoot somebody to say he shot somebody. This isn't a court of law, we aren't "proving" anything.

    If you think he's a hero, you acknowledge he shot the guy. If he didn't, there's no need for the hero worship.

    If you think he's a criminal, you ALSO acknowledge he shot the guy.

    Again, either way, there's absolutely no question he shot the guy.

    You're welcome to feel differently, the results of the trial will disappoint you.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    LOL - The mod of "thepoliceproblem" is not pushing a pro cop agenda. Don't blind yourself to obvious facts.

    The cops didn't catch Mangione, it took a random McDonalds employee to do that. They had no clue who he was until that call came in.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My tinfoil hat isn't tight enough for me to buy the conspiracy theory narrative. You really have to stretch to say he's being framed.

    We have video of him in the vicinity wearing the same clothing as the shooter.

    He was caught with the gun and a manifesto.

    He's repeated those statements personally.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/luigi-mangiones-alleged-diary-entries-released-new-court-filing-rcna211132

    "Instead of carrying out a bombing, prosecutors allege, Mangione wrote in an entry in October that someone should "wack the CEO at the annual parasitic bean-counter convention."

    "It's targeted, precise, and doesn't risk innocents. Most importantly, the point is self-evident," the diary entry reads, according to the filing. "The point is made in the news headline 'Insurance CEO killed at annual investors conference.'""

    It's absolutely clear he's the shooter. Denying that is rejecting reality.

    Now, if you want to get into if he was justified, that's a different discussion. My expectation is they will get him on the murder charge due to the extensive proof of pre-meditation.

    The terrorism charge is bullshit though and everyone knows it. The public wasn't terrorized by what he did, if anything a large number of people were cheering him.

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