BC Won’t Require Measles Vaccination for Schools (thetyee.ca)

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

So there's a measles outbreak at a school then wouldn't that potentially make them liable for it?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

"So, look Indigenous and other marginalized folks... I know we've had some less than great history about mandatory government programs. And yes, childhood education is essential, but if you don't agree to this mandatory medical program we will not allow your child in school."

It's a tricky balance but this article doesn't even attempt to explore reasons we might not be making these mandatory, which to my mind is criminally poor reporting and one of my major issues with the Tyee.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That’s not really a tricky balance, there is a clear right direction to pick

I am curious, though. Did First Nation consultation result in any voiced resistance against vaccination?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 days ago

That’s not really a tricky balance, there is a clear right direction to pick

I love that you "know" the right direction without even knowing how margjnalized folks might feel about it.

Just to be clear, your opinion is that the government should just force marginalized folks to do what we think is the right thing regardless of their feelings or experiences?

(And if your second paragraph is a serious question, you could literally just google Canada First Nations vaccine hesitancy and learn a whole boatload.)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

your opinion is that the government should just force marginalized folks to do what we think is the right thing regardless of their feelings or experiences?

you could literally just google Canada First Nations vaccine hesitancy and learn a whole boatload

Indeed, TIL

This was a pretty interesting read: https://afn.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Dr.-Valerie-Gideon-Presentation_EN.pdf

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Sorry, I'm clearly not understanding your position... Vaccines should be mandatory but also not?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yes. Just like they already kind of are in a bunch of ways. At the very least they should be opt-out instead of opt-in, with immunization campaigns deployed in the spirit of increasingly making opt-out more exceptional

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

They already are opt out, not opt in.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How so? Encouraging people to vaccinate their kids and making the vaccine free is still an "opt in" system. What I mean with an opt out system is that it would demand effort and a processual review to not vaccinate (at some level, even if at the community level), like filing for being excused of immunization and having that file as part of the immunization record.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Maybe you should learn more about how the system functions before demanding changes?

Vaccines are largely done in schools with parents having to opt out.

All you've prosed is to add a weird layer of bureaucracy with no discernible benefit.

Edit: And yes, refusals to vaccinate are already part of someone's record. (This system is already used to contact people who have refused and to offer another round of immunizations etc.)

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But that bureaucracy is what I mean with friction that defines what opting out means. Being invited to immunization and having ease to refuse is still opt in to me.

refusals to vaccinate are already part of someone’s record

Maybe I am just unaware but what I understood from what goes into the record is that someone saying “no thanks, vaccines are a lie” is indistinguishable from “the healthcare system wronged my community so I don’t feel safe with this”. If those cases are indeed already distinguishable and I'm just mistaken, then I'll be gladly corrected because it means that we are already equipped to to make vaccination mandatory, because all we need is to have the due process to accommodate the concerns of the second group.

this post was submitted on 29 May 2025

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