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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey! This post is not specifically related to the lemmy.world instance. From now on, posts such as these will be removed, in order for the community to stay on topic. However, as this is a highly upvoted post, I'll just lock it for now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Say whatever you want about spez, he is the best thing that ever happened to Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Is anyone surprised? The "blackout" seems to have been a total flop most subs don't give a shit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The blackout helped me to leave.

It's difficult to rewire a dopamine pathway you've been traveling for 14 years.

Knowing that other people care enough to abstain for two days is useful in that process.

I never expected Reddit to change their policy. I have been surprised at how petulant, dishonest and unprofessional they've been. I would have expected a bland corporate response.

Anyway, onward and upward.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

onward, and onto the next dopamine pathway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same. Not sure I would have ever heard of Lemmy otherwise.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't say it was a flop. A massive number of subs and users are participating at the moment (some forced due to the blackouts). But I do agree that reddit executives definitely don't give a shit, and will eventually just start booting mods to bring the subs back if they don't fall in line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not surprised, still disappointed. Will discuss with other mods the idea of nuking our community as a "fuck you" to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Do it. For the lulz. For great justice. Move every zig.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not that you're charging for API access; it's that you're charging US pharmaceutical industry pricing levels ($12,000 for something that should realistically be $200) and then only giving devs such a short time to implement changes. This was designed to kill 3PApps outright and everyone can see it. What an ass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That part. No one is saying don’t charge but literally no one can afford to fork over that kind of money. Christian crunched the number to run Apollo for a year and it came out to approximately $20M. Twenty million freaking dollars. How is this reasonable?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I find it funny that a 3rd party app can be "profitable" but reddit cant be profitable without alienating a sizeable chunk of their userbase.

Reddit has increasingly become a cesspit of racism and bigotry anyways, and I find Im going there less and less.

I need to get used to how lemmy works and find my 3d printing people here.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (21 children)

The world is ready to fully transition away from that cancerous company.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I don't get is who they're posturing for now.

They showed the developers that the game was fixed and there was no plan to negotiate in good faith.

They've shown the userbase they aren't responsive to strongly held concerns.

They've shown a potential IPO audience that they're capable of burning down the platform in record time and not even waiting until after they cashed out to do so.

They've shown everyone they don't even have the most basic understanding of corporate bullshit speak. It's not hard to put together "We hear your concerns and will assemble a committee of top minds who will proceed to ignore these concerns."

I guess they just want to say they didn't back down. That and $12.50 gets you a cup of coffee.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

WE should blackout for longer, i own a very small subreddit, but 2 days is not enough!! im not backing down tomorrow, i ask over subs do the same. lets stick it to reddit

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I won't go back, with all the changes in the last few years. Reddit isn't moving in a direction I like.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We should move. Even if we did a longer blackout, the admins can just replace the mods of the bigger subs and ignore the smaller ones. Even if the blackout is effective, they will pull something like this again.

I've lost trust in them. I'm not going back except maybe for information if I really need to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I've decided I'm done. A complete and utter about face doesn't feel like it would be enough at this point. At some point a relationship/reputation becomes damaged beyond repair.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Hey Lemmy gang. Just signed up after seeing this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

simplify so they can lay off mods and let ai go on autopilot. like an automatic cow milker.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That fuck talks about the data as if he was responsible in creating any of it. It's the users and users should seriously leave reddit and delete their data en masse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly what I did. I’ll find other sources as they pop up. Too much time wasted filtering the bickering away from the few reliables

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that's why this is my first comment on lemmy! Just in case Reddit eats itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Aye, welcome! I’m still figuring things out myself. Mostly hoping the iOS client Mlem can find its footing because the whole Lemmy experience feels incomplete at the moment, but this all still feels like I’m on the ground floor of something potentially great.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This kind of protest is meaningless, going back online after 48 hours? It's just a way for communities to feel good about themselves. The best way to protest is to delete the account / subreddit going offline indefinitely (although I doubt the effectiveness of this)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Agreed, but it's 48 hours later, and it seems like more and more subreddits have decided to continue protesting indefinitely, which I'm really happy to see. I too have no clue how effective it'll be, but it's showing a much clearer message.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

From how I understood it (I could be wrong), the initial blackout was planned for june 30th when the API changes come into effect, and the current (previous?) protest was due to Spez's AskReddit responses. Basically, this was the warning, the 30th is the big one.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Money rules everything around me" -The CEO of Reddit

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Since I don't see a link to it in the discussion, here's an internal email from yesterday that has made its way to the Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't need reddit. Reddit doesn't generate content, nor does it prevent contributors from sharing the same content on other platforms.

What is reddit doing to win me back?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Of course they aren't going back. We saw how arrogant spez was. There was no doubt in my mind he is just going to rely on the fact that most people are rarely committed enough to do anything.

My expectation... Some will stay with the fediverse. Others will see the blackout as a "we did everything we could" and then go back, business as usual.

I for sure will not be back. I like RIF and it is the only way I browse. With RIF gone so too am I.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's a stupid question I have (c/NoStupidQuestions?)

What do mods gain from reopening the subs after two days, even if demands are not met? Are they gaining money or something? Perhaps the bigger ones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Valid question. Hate to say this, but if most subs reopen after 2 days, we're essentially handing reddit bosses an easy win. It's like protesting with no terms, and instead merely creating a brief storm that'll pass and quickly be forgotten. Might as well throw eggs at a tank with that thinking.

The only way this protest works, is if subs stay dark with no deadline, and terms that must be met to end the standoff. That's how these things work. That's how it's always worked.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cool beans. Thanks spez, for introducing me to lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The alt-right is having a great time right now on Reddit. Tons of their posts from r/conservative on the front page.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, at this point. All these big tech companies are succumbing to their greed.

Good that FOSS are being made to be the shelter for this wasteland that is big tech.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Unlike some of the 3P [third-party] apps, we are not profitable

It's their own fault. They didn't have to take hundred of millions of venture capital and hire thousands of people. They didn't have to go try to become a XX billion dollars company fighting with Facebook and Tiktok.

They could be profitable with a hundred engineers, a hundred support staff and reasonable ads. They could make delivering ads part of their API and have 3rd party apps serve them for them. They could let those 3rd party app handle the mobile markets since those solo devs are creating better apps than the hundreds of engineers at Reddit.

I'm really annoyed that they are changing a winning formula to build something that nobody wants

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