As others have mentioned, I don't think Labour will do well in the next election based on what they've been doing so far. So voting for "third" parties is inevitable. It's just a question of whether we can get a majority of progressives, or we just end up spread out and Reform sweeps the win.

I think maybe the ideal solution would be if the progressive parties formed some sort of coalition ahead of time, centred around electoral reform. Discuss who contests which seats, etc, and how they'd vote as a coalition.

Well the most ideal would be if they did that with the express purpose of getting electoral reform done and then calling a general election right after. That way even conservatives and right wingers might vote for them.

It really is past the time when Britain finally went through some actual changes.

I don't think I could vote for Labour again in good conscience. I voted for them as the lesser of two evils but it has been nothing but betrayal. My fear is that doing this will allow the tories or ~~fascists~~ reform into power which will be utterly horrendous against the mildly lighter level of shitness we have now.

I joined the lib dems before when they were the big party against brexit and this time i will be joining the greens. I dont have any hope that things will change before the next election where I'll be forced to think about the implications of my vote but I'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

The UK would be a lot better off following Ireland's steps in adopting a single transferable vote system. Yes it keeps the local representation while providing the voters the most sophisticated way in expressing their approval of the candidates as one can rank 3 or 7 or even up to 42 candidates if they like.

The first-past-the-post invention has served it's purpose.

I kind of agree. I don't think we're getting PR any time soon. But Labours attempt to emulate the US two party model needs to be demonstrated to be a resounding failure.

So he thinks people should tactically support progressive parties who support electoral reform (Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru), which may hopefully then lead to electoral reform, so that we end up with proportional representation.

I've been doing this most of my voting-age life. Electoral reform for me personally is the most important issue.

My thoughts is that this is how Reform get in. Until we rid ourselves of FPTP, splitting the left vote so much means a Reform government. Until such time, we have to vote tactically. Vote to keep out the worst. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

If Labour put country before party, they would be killing of FPTP like the membership want.

When you guys figure it out, please tell the US. They don't seem to get it.

Sounds like a good way to end up with King Nigel, unfortunately.

Right now, we should:

1. Vote for other parties than Labour in opinion polls, that is, for genuinely progressive parties
2. Vote for other parties than Labour in local elections

We should drive momentum away from Labour far ahead of the next general election such that the general public view an alternative coalition as more likely to win a general election than Labour and so encourage a broad switch.

Vote tactically to keep Reform out of any seat it is running in.

Avoid the Lib Dems, they'll form a coalition with the Tories if there's something in it for them.

Vote Green where it won't lead to the Tories winning.

Quit hoping that electoral reform will save you. PR systems give disproportionate power to unprincipled centrist parties like the LibDems and the current Labour Party. Instead, learn how to use tactical voting and convince all your friends and neighbours.

honestly don't favour proportional rep in the house of commons, this opinion was cemented during the last election when a handful of prominent independent local candidates took their seat, and some nearly did (wes streeting's constituency in particular). this could not happen with party list type PR. i like the principle of a local connection to an area and wouldn't like to lose that (i know candidates get parachuted in etc but in principle)

I would prefer ranked choice voting for constituency seats, and apply PR to the house of lords instead. you could do this by counting votes for two purposes, so your vote for the local MP candidate also gets added to their party's % seats in the lords. e.g. your vote for bob smith (green) gets added to his local count, as well as his party's % allocation of lords

this is a half baked idea tbh but i quite like it so far