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Elon Musk said he will charge all X/Twitter users a fee to be on the platform. He suggested that such a change would be necessary to deal with the problem of bots on the platform.

“It’s the only way I can think of to combat vast armies of bots," said Elon. I can’t believe that this is the only solution he can think of.

Dealing with bots would be Elon Musk’s responsibility, considering he’s the only one profiting significantly from X, not us. Elon Musk steals our data and censors each of our posts, now he even expects us to pay to clean up the mess he created.

Plus, the problems with X go beyond just bots. The algorithm and programming decisions are negatively impacting user experience and manipulating people’s minds.

We want a town square where everyone is free to have & voice an opinion. I do not believe we have to pay ”a small monthly payment” for such a place, especially in a country that should value these freedoms & suppressing ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I would sooner chew on glass than pay for Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The correct answer is no.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Hell no, and that's why I love the idea and definitely encourage them to do so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He went from saying he was going to build an 'everything app' to charging for something that does nothing and is shit at it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Sorry Jovan Musk, from Calvin Klein! The answer is nooooOOOOOoooo. Old Twitter is dead. You killed it, and now you're trying to sell me its smelly corpse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I understand, even when paying you would still see ads and not get any benefits over what Twitter is at the moment whatsoever. I honestly cannot imagine the platform retaining many users after such a drastic step.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe I will finally go delete my old account.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

$0.

Twitter like so many other social media companies came into being with users as the product. As that fails (both because Elon is an idiot and because consumer knowledge has improved), these companies are finding that they never really had a sustainable business model.

Let the market work it out, as the overlords are so fond of.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Looking forward to the influx of users to Bluesky and Mastodon, keep it up lemonsuk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Oh god, please do this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You couldn't pay me to use that cracker platform. I thought reddit was bad after they fucked over all the moderators, then comes xhitter with open pedo-nazis being boosted to the front page. Both are shit for the same reason and i'm never going back to either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You couldn't even pay me to use Twitter

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would pay to not use it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'd happily pay a monthly fee for twitter to stop existing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

no I'm not willing to play for using twitter, I'll just delete my account.

as for the "it's the only way to combat the army of bots" comment - how is that the army of bots only became a problem after twitter became x? i never had a problem before but now my every tweet is liked by a kinsley, madeline, josephine, mia or layla. it's crazy.

oh, maybe that's one of the microservices they shut down

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I left already. I'm certainly not paying to use something so terrible

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, I'll definitely get that latte instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I won’t even use it for free, so paying seems unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ll just leave these here

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Why would you leave this trash here?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We want a town square…

I just want to comment on this part, if that’s ok. Town squares are inherently not free. Sure, everyone is free to come to it. But it’s still paid for by someone. Usually by people who stand to gain the most value out of it. This has always been my problem with Twitter and Facebook and their ilk.

There are wonderful examples of people trying different payment models and yes, most of them have failed. But let’s look at them for a minute.

App.net came out swinging at one point, with the idea of a (what was it?) fifty dollars a year payment model. It was a great idea. But it lagged because of a few reasons. Instead of keeping the $50 price point and using the extra money to allow for free accounts, the founders first dropped the price to $36 a year and then quietly raised VC funding, which went against everything they talked about and thus the community turned. Needless to say, the service was dead a few years after it came.

Before that there was WhatsApp. WhatsApp would randomly charge people $1 to $3 for download or subscription. Their experiment was wildly successful. If you could do MMS with just $1 a year from everyone on your network (or, heck, some random number of people on your network), what’s better than that? WhatsApp’s Achilles? Selling to Facebook. Now it’s unmoored from its founding principles. It’s growing. But for every one bespoke feature added, two features are added that push your data to Facebook.

Then there’s micro.blog. The pricing is simple - $5 a month and you get a blog and a social media handle. Right now, the founder hasn’t cracked down on accounts that paid once and are only using the social features of the network without being able to blog on it. It’s surprisingly successful, though niche. Will it fail? Seems like there’s enough runway since the founder is strict about no free signups. That town square isn’t free to join.

The fediverse is blowing up and so are standalone companies with their homegrown social networks like posts.cv and whatever Substack calls their social network. Also egalitarian European countries are launching their own mastodon sites to host a digital town square for their citizens. It’s a great time to be on social media.

But none of the real digital town squares are free. Nor should they be. Yes, a small monthly fee seems unnecessary. But Twitter isn’t a public good. It isn’t infrastructure. It isn’t paid for with our taxes. If the US Government launches their own mastodon site then you can absolutely comment on how important it is for this country to value freedoms. Till then, stop expecting private companies to not experiment with pricing models.

Also, Elon is an idiot and Twitter is dead. But that’s besides the point.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hell nar we got mastadon

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