I think that's too simplified and it will create expectations that aren't true, because It's more like this:
- Choose instance
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Read & agree to Mastadon rules
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Read & agree to (instance) privacy terms
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Create account
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Tap the verification link in your email
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Solve the Captcha
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Get a list of people/users to follow (why these people? What is it based on?)
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Setup profile
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Done!
Most of those are all really simple, common things that are done when creating accounts on any service though. If Mastodon is literally the first service you've ever signed up for in your life maybe that's justified but most people have made an account somewhere before.
And that's the point OP is trying to make. It's a very familiar process, except for step 1, which you can literally just ignore and pick the big highlighted blue button and avoid that scary and confusing "Pick another server" button if you're not up to it.
This “guide” is a bit of a joke made out of frustration.
The real guide is still either outdated or doesn't take into account that there's a lot more steps. But considering it's been 2 years, I don't hold that against the author
I think your steps from 2 to 8 are summed up in
Create an account. Just like Twitter (or any other social media).
Meaning that those are not any different than what you need to do in Twitter or facebook. Actually the consents you need and the app permissions are much simpler in Mastodon case
Well, I'm confused. And has it caught on?
Disclosure: I've tried it out on my computer, not the app. Is the app more user-friendly?
E.g. I only just realized now why I've been so confused by Mastodon; the web page shows you replies before showing you what's being replied to, without the UI making it obvious that's what it's doing and what's connected together. Does the app fix that, and is there a way to get a fix in a web browser?
I'm not sure, but i guess that it is replicating Twitter behaviour. I got used to that quickly.
But if you want a better experience you can easily find other front ends. I strongly suggest Phanpy that makes it really clear when a toot is part of a conversation/thread. It also does a lot of nice things like grouping boosts in horizontal carousels, collapsing long threads to avoid occpying the too many screens, and others, but it is still simple
Phanpy
First impression: "That's more like it!"
But then: "Wait... it's still not showing me the OP followed by replies." It shows me a reply, with some faded text above. I click on the faded text above, and still don't get the OP, eventually click on a group of microavatars with mouseover text "Go to top" and an up arrow, and at last see what the hell it is people are talking about, with replies below. I try going through settings, find no way to get it simply show me the OP in the first place.
I guess I'll have to keep trying out front-ends until I find one that works ~~in a way that is not obviously maddening~~ the way I need it to.
I'll try Ask Lemmy. https://lemmy.ca/post/44479417
(And wondering again if I should try Mbin or Piefed, and what the difference is.)
Woah, I think you catchet the biggest problem I have with it immediatly. I'm thinjking of opening an issue maybe?
Good idea. I wanted to search their Github Issues to see if they already have a request for this but then I realized I don't know the correct technical terms to describe this. "Show OP with replies below directly in timeline"? Or "feed"? Or "home page"? Whatever is the porper Mastodon term for what it shows me when I load the main page.
Try Fedilab, I think it will be more intuitive for you, unless I'm misunderstanding your frustration.
Unfortunately, it looks like Fedilab is a mobile app only.
Also, I've installed it on Android and the default does not show the OP above with replies grouped below.
Looking at its settings, maybe one might affect completely missing OPs, "Remote Conversations". I've enabled it and will see how it goes.
I can't find any setting to make it show replies grouped below the OP.
Correct, it is mobile only. Unfortunately, I think I must be misunderstanding what you're saying about the OP stuff. This is my view, the way I think about it at least, these are all "OPs", ones with a plus sign next to the leftward arrow have comments.
And then if I tap, I get the op with its comments underneath it.
Thanks for explaining that, now I can eventually see the OP.
I want more like the second picture by default (although I wish the tap would take me direct to the OP instead of to the reply and then I have to scroll up).
I don't want to see a main feed full of replies I don't understand because there's no context and have to decide whether it's worth tapping and scrolling up dozens (hundreds?) of times a day to find out what it's about.
I want by default to see the OP with replies underneath (perhaps the replies collapsed or collapsible). Then I can decide based on the OP, not guess by the reply, if I want to read through that thread or scroll past to the next.
Maybe it's cuz I'm new and all the content is new. Once I'm in, perhaps I'll want to see unaccompanied replies. But for now, I want to see OPs first, then replies once I've read the OP.
i just went to bsky. mastodon was a bit too confusing for my tastes.
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