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It seems I shouldn't have posted this without context

TL;DW

  • yes the video is (at least partially) about Teflon, hence the cynical title

  • no, Teflon (or generally big Fluoropolymers) are not the problem. Ingesting them does nothing to you, because as long, chemically inert polymers they just pass through you from one end to the other

  • The problem are perfluoroalkyl acids: C8 (PFOA) and later substitutes such as C6/GenX, PFOS, PFHA, PFHxS which are chemicals used to start the Teflon polymerization. They are short-chained carbon-fluorine molecules that coincidentally mimic the structure of fatty acids, thus can accumulate in our bodies without a way for our bodies to break them down.

  • These chemicals leach into the environment from factories and accumulate in everything, to the point that the whole water cycle has been contaminated (yes that shit comes down everywhere with the rain)

  • There is conclusive proof that PFOA exposure is linked to a number of organ damage and cancers, particularly testicular cancer and kidney cancer, with likely links to lung and pancreatic cancer not reflected in the study due to survivor bias (they died before the study was concluded)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

They can make Teflon without the forever chemicals. They choose to make it the way they do because it is cheap and easy to scale. Rather than develop better solutions that don't poison us they choose easy money and are rewarded for it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

We poisoned the planet for us

[โ€“] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For anyone who can't be bothered to watch the entire 1 hour episode: It's not really about frying pans.

The PFAs are everywhere by now. Butter on a pan will do jack shit to save you. It's really fucked up. You should watch the video.

[โ€“] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yup your most likely sources are stuff like:

  • your water supply
  • any coated paper materials coming into contact with (hot) food and beverages, eg. Burger wrappers, coated paper coffee cups, microwave popcorn, pizza boxes, etc.
[โ€“] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We didn't poison the whole planet so our eggs wont stick. A small number of people poisoned the planet to get rich

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[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Firefighting foam used at airports. Every airport, every military base with an airstrip practices routinely with PFAS. They are still doing it.

It is everywhere. Water, soil, rain and you.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We did not do anything. A very small group of people indeed knowingly and willingly poisoned the earth for a bunch of monies.

You'd think they'd be jailed for that, but here we are

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This means that now that everyone knows what is required to produce non-stick pans, they will vanish from stores because 99% of humans are well meaning and will not buy destructive products.

Just kidding. My parents (>70yo) told me as achild not to use teflon pans, because they are 'unhealthy'. We all knew. We just don't care.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not "we". You. Many of us actively campaign against it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Given the ratio of people who actively campaign against it to people who don't care, I think it's pretty safe to say "we don't care".

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Thx for being in the 1%

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm more inclined to think that they weren't willing, but rather that they just didn't work on the implications. Occam's razor. Don't assume evil when stupidity, or laziness, or simple plain cost cutring can explain things.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Teflon found out and yet did nothing. That is willingly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

May have started innocently but there was a point they knew and didn't care. That is the point where execs should be getting harsh sentences from

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

and they keep making the shit.

fuck

[โ€“] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"We poisoned the planet"

Fuck off! Unscrupulous greed industrialists poisoned the planet knowingly and tried to hide or minimize the fact from the public.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

To be clear: This image is directed at the greedy industrialists.

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