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Well, just that. Wich is stronger against trackers, hackers and doxxing threats? Proton VPN (I'm using this one actually), or Mullvad VPN?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Doxxing is a low skill level threat its very easy, google your target's username and find information about them, yeah its that simple. All your user data is linked to your user name and profile picture. What i suggest doing is using the same tools doxxers use (sherlock) to find your long forgotten accounts and then delete them, remember to never use the same username and profile picture.

When a database leaks it will most likely contain your username, email and ip address, this information will be findable by username, email or ip address. If you ever use an account without a vpn using a vpn wont anonymize you from the service. Disable webrtc in your browser it often leaks ip addresses while using vpns also watch out for ip grabbers.

Tldr: dont use same usernames and profile pictures, vpn is 100% secure if used wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Trackers are browser problem, get ublock origin. You can block trackers by changing your dns resolver i recommend Quad9 or adguard.

You don't really get hacked unless you download and open files or your accounts get recovered by someone sending all your information to customer support pretending to be you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do VPN's actually protect against any of that? They're basically only useful if you want to get around your country's internet filters, log into a website that has blocked your IP, or hide your traffic from the government (and in the latter's case, Tor is probably a better pick).

I guess it may help with tracking, but there are so many ways in which your tracked, is your IP even one of them?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I have and use both.

Without choosing some sort of dns based ip blacklist (offered by both providers btw), neither one really does what you asked about.

What are you actually trying to prevent? If you don’t know what language to use, just describe the situation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

I use Proton currently since it comes with my proton subscription. But I used mullvad for years and prefer it. They're both good, you can't go wrong really.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mullvad. Not even a question

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Also, the Proton CEO publicly supports Trump

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mullvad is much friendlier to privacy, but their proxies get blocked by A LOT of stuff, they also have a very small number of proxies. Mullvad collects literally nothing about you, but that's a double edged sword. not having any way to verify exactly who paid money into which account number means they can't help you if someone steals your account. I also have it on good authority that mullvad isn't very reliable at getting past more aggressive censorship firewalls. the one in china for example won't allow you to use mullvad unless the sim you're connecting from is a US one.

Proton doesn't record anything you're doing with their VPN and they've had to prove that many times and their "sentinel" program and the 2FA and double password you can enable make it very hard if not impossible for someone to mootch off your account. I very rarely get blocked by anything when I use proton VPN, if I ever do get blocked I just have to change the proxy I'm on. I don't even have to change the location most of the time because proton VPN has a huge number of proxies at each location.

Proton also gives you the ability to save recovery phrases and recovery files if you lose your password(s) or your 2FA

ente auth and ageis auth are great for storing your 2FAs and they allow you to back them up to a file if your account with ente fails in some way or if you forget the password to get into your ageis

as for those recovery files and phrases I talked about. save them in text files on a small capacity flash drive that you don't use for anything else

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Mullvad also has hidden servers they give access to on request if you can't access the regular ones. Can help with government censorship etc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Good to know, but how can you safely request them without giving away that you're using them?

What method does the request go through? What happens when those proxies get blocked by the censorship firewalls too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

I just used email lol, and I don't think it's possible to hide that you're connecting to a certain IP. And if they get blocked too I'll email them again D:

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who knows how to steal you mull account with out you knowing? This seems over blown atleast from that perspective. I'm sure it's possible but unless you are incredibly slopping opsec I doubt it's even on the list of problems. Given all other things you could be doing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (5 children)

it's just a string of numbers with no password

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I like that you don't have to provide an email address to mullvad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can also send them money in a letter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Same for proton

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Isn't it the same for Proton? I have been using it for so long now that I don't remember

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

If you don't need proton's whole suite of tools I say go for mullvad.

You can also just test them both out for yourself. Try mullvad for one month, proton another. The nice thing with mullvad I believe is that it's way more anonymous in terms of various forms of payment and I believe it has a fixed price.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Mullvad any day. Support is awesome.

If you go with Mullvad look for the gift cards out there that are for 6 or 12 months of service. I grabbed one off Amazon.ca for 12 months at $75. Works out to be cheaper than paying per month with the ever changing exchange rates.

I also like the fact that Mullvad has servers in the city I live in where as Proton has them on the west coast or east coast. Not the greatest for those in the middle of the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does one verify that a gift card bought from Amazon is legit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Make sure it's "Sold by Mullvad VPN" and "Shipped from Amazon".

https://www.amazon.ca/Mullvad-VPN-Devices-Protect-Security/dp/B092M5G1G7

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago

I prefer Mullvad. Regularly audited, can pay with cash if preferred, everything runs on RAM, and hasn’t had any controversies so far. The only issue for some is no port forwarding. I also like the multi-hop and DAITA features.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Mullvad. Their servers run on RAM, and they don't have any information about you no email, no username you can even pay with cash. However, Proton has port forwarding, while Mullvad does not.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Mullvad.

Proton has a Trump ass kisser working in their C-suite.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I prefer Mullvad. I've found it a lot more reliable. I was a paying Proton customer but still had connectivity issues a non-negligible number of times, whereas I've literally never had Mullvad be the cause of connection issues in my years of using it. It's great that they take cash and have literally only an account hash associated with your account.

I've also found that Mullvad customer support are responsive, helpful, and know what they're talking about. I've had experiences with Proton's customer support that were ok, but occasionally had the typical customer service hiccups along the lines of being assigned a new support agent who doesn't read back all the conversation (understandable—I had one bug I was dealing with for months) and you have to explain again what the original issue was and what has been done since.

I think both options are perfectly fine, but I definitely prefer Mullvad, and it's what I recommend to people if they ask me to recommend a VPN service.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Mullvad hasn’t yet shown themselves fed- friendly.

Proton has.

Mullvad is the answer.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Source please, we in the /privacy community genuinely want to learn so when such things do happen, we all benefit from factual information. Please do not assume we all know what you are referring to. It is particularly in this kind of cases when, for example with Signal what was "shared" with authorities is basically irrelevant, cf https://signal.org/bigbrother/ so we must be precise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Proton has cooperated with subpoenas on multiple occasions leading to the user’s arrest.

While they may challenge them, the point is that they have cooperated and thus are not reliable. There are no reported cases of Mullvad doing the same.

There are ample links from multiple sources that describe this with a simple search.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's because no one running a service will go to jail for you. None.

Not ProtonVPN, not Mullvad, not IVPN, not Lemmy Instances.

Imagine you run one of these, and you received a lawful order in your jurisdiction.

Turn over data or go to jail for a long time.

Would you go to jail to protect user privacy?

The only thing Proton does better is because they are under Swiss Jurisdiction, which has stricter control over when a court order can be issued. But if a court order goes to Proton, they can't ignore it.

Also: Protonmail =/= ProtonVPN, they are under different laws. In Switzerland, Mail providers have to provide IP addresses upon a subpoena, VPN providers do not. If those users had used ProtonVPN to access their Protonmail, they'd be safe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Interesting, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Has Mullvad ever been required to comply for anything though? Or are you saying Mullvad has already, and refused to follow Swedish law?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, if your safety depends on whether a particular company cooperates with authorities, you'd better rethink your OPSEC.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I like Mullvad better

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There'd thundermail coming out soon, which will probably have mullvad included. This also funds firefox too which is nice.

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