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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Damn. People here sure love purity testing. The guy could pay for their cancer treatment and still slap him every chance because they got it wrong publicly in the past but once you get it wrong publicly once, you're out of the club. Go be a conservative we don't want you. When someone at Tuta has a bad year and ends up in the wrong publicly, find another email service to try and convince people to go too. Probably worse in functionality than Tuta as you go down to smaller and worse funded efforts in this niche field of Internet activism

But people here do it here too to Mozilla because they don't like their social outreach programs and their attempts to get advertising revenue so screw Mozilla too. So because nothing but perfection is acceptable, push away people that may be adjacent/left leaning right and switch to less developed products. Switch from Firefox and attack Mozilla who do the bulk of Firefox development and use Waterfox who do a custom deployment/build. Pure display of perfection being the enemy of good here.

You want people to embrace privacy but keep whiplashing people around when the org/anyone in leadership says something wrong. Screw Signal, they're not perfect. Screw Matrix/Element, some developer said something one day so it's all bad. I'm surprised anyone here uses any privacy software or a major open source software like Linux or Krita or Blender at the risk that someone in the background may be wrong in someway which I am 100% certain they exist in important positions. Same with Lemmy

Go back to the 60s and you all would be shitting on Fred Hampton for accepting the impure and the color coalition for everyone that had ever said something wrong. Al Franken definitely would not make it with y'all. Y'all can't build up leftist communities because y'all are bitter assholes that can't move on and spend so much time purity testing. Y'all are probably mediocre too so can't make a difference in privacy and data ownership activism anyways so should be lining up to support not just Tuta, someone hasn't screwed up publicly yet, and Proton

Reminds me of Aung San Suu Kyi. She was under the gun of the military ruling class that permitted limited democratic government and because she didn't make speech as if she lived in the US, a bunch of Americans turned on her and celebrated when the military dictatorship came back to rule and put her in prison the moment it seemed like the civilian government would actually assert more power

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I am sad because of all the people in this thread who think the CEO is "fascist-sympathetic" because he said Trump did something better than the Democrats one time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely agreed. I think when you have such role in a company you should avoid making political statements at all, because no matter what you say you will end up upsetting some people. In this case, "try-hard" democrats.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

But I already use proton and purchased outside the Apple Store (on the proton website) and use it on my iPhone? What changed?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Is tuta torrent friendly?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Based, as they say.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Inb4 Trump invents tariffs on foreign coded software

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You mean tariffs on services and the EU been floating the idea of putting tariff on US big tech

[–] [email protected] 45 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

So, Mr. Yen, are you still sympathetic to the republicans, who have a disdain for the same courts that gave you a win?

Or is your head burried so deep in your particle accelerator you don't even have any clue about politics?

Dude thinks he knows everything because he has a PhD in Physics, literally out of touch with the politics that anyone doing 5 minutes of web searching can understand.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Dude thinks he knows everything because he has a PhD in Physics, literally out of touch with the politics that anyone doing 5 minutes of web searching can understand.

This is such a common thing. STEM education needs to be more well rounded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Why? Idiots thinking they know more than they do won't be stopped by this. Also if we wanted to round humanities and liberal arts by making it mandatory to pass analysis, linear algebra, organic chemistry and classical physics would just lead to much more people not graduating anything.

School is for a general education. Academia is for specialization.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

What does politics even have to do with a ruling like this? Isn't the law separated from the government in the US? Or is the US just a corrupt country that allow people to influence the judges ruling to impact the lawsuit in a certain outcome ... O wait ...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (20 children)

Proton = Trump support

So no for me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Their CEO approved of an appointment Trump made, and criticized Dem on the issue -- doesn't make him a Trump supporter. If we can't tell the Dems off when we think the GOP does better, how can we proceed?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Proton itself never directly commited on anything from Trump in a positive way.

Their current CEO Andy Yen posted this Tweet. Yes he is an idiot and even doubled down on it with the Proton account Now I am not from a country with a 2 party system, but last time I checked agreeing with one statement from somebody doesn't mean you support them. Heck finding common ground is often a way to find compromises.

Do what you want and don't support them if you don't want them, but don't act like the company Proton is a Trump supporter. Heck there are a lot of articles on the Proton site which are pro privacy and pro consumer.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Andy Yen went out of his way to criticize Democrats on antitrust, which is how you can tell it's actually a pro-Trump position unsupported by the actual facts.

I like Gail Slater. She's possibly the best choice among people who Trump likes, to head DOJ's Antitrust Division. She has bipartisan bona fides.

But to say that Democrats, after 4 years of Lina Khan leading the FTC, and a bunch of the reforms that the Biden FTC and DOJ made to merger standards and their willingness to sue/seek big penalties for antitrust violations, aren't more serious than Republicans about reining in big tech consolidation and about stronger enforcement of antitrust principles, completely flips around the history and is a bad faith argument.

Andy Yen could've praised Gail Slater, and that would be that. Instead, he took a post by Trump that didn't even mention Democrats, and made it about how the Democrats are bad on taking on big tech. That's the problem everyone had with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 minutes ago

Anti Democrat does not mean pro Republican/trump. I personally hate both but the latter much more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

Well yeah he did support a Trump statement and went out of his way to do it. Later stupidly doubled down on it by using the official response.

But, and this might be because I am not American and live in a country where politics aren't so black and white, but I fail to see how that means you are a MAGA nut/Trump supporter or what not. Especially not because he hasn't taken action (will be hard to do anyway since he is not American).

And there is a strong governance structure with Andy Yen only having 33% power on final says since he is 1 of 3 people in the Proton Foundation which is the shareholder of the Proton company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, my 2 year plan is up in June. I haven't decided what I'm switching to. I've heard good things about Mullvad's privacy policies and politics, but I've also seen reviews that a bunch of sites and services have them blocked.

I'm open to suggestions at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Mullvad is the gold standard

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

That's what I've been seeing. I don't use Netflix anyways and I mostly just have a VPN for when I'm on a university or hospital campus and I'd like to keep my internet usage private. (Or when sailing the high seas for books.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

Except that Mullvad is hostile to the torrent infrastructure since there is no port forwarding. No thanks!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd use their VPN even if Hitler owns it. It's private, secure and they stand to their values with respect to that. Why would I care about political views? Politics don't change the service on a technical level. Literally don't give a shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Except politics, actually, can change the service. For example, surrendering data in secret. Or installing backdoors.

Not that I think Proton is gonna do that (or at least hope so), but thinking "why would I care about politics, they don't affect the app on a technical level" is incredibly naive and potentially incorrect.

With an over-the-top example, it's kinda like saying "why should I care about the politics of my landlord after they support the "Increase Tenant's Rent" party, it doesn't change the service"

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