What's the mysterious purple line? Red Hat?
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Dude chill it's not crypto
You’re just mad your distro hasn’t MOONED
Yeah, I just finally updated the last remaining servers to bookworm this weekend, so a next release is probably coming soon. Proven by earlier experiences
i made a spreadsheet of debian release dates, graphed the days between releases and calculated a probable release date based on last release date + average days between releases* +/- 1 std deviation
if i remember correctly, bookworm was within my predicted range (apr-aug 2023, i think) and we're now fully within trixie's predicted range
*before etch (4.0), release intervals varied wildly, so I don't take those into consideration
Yeah, nowadays it's just every other year around June. Linux has become so boring ;)
debian is boring as hell and that's why i love it
Jesus, people analyzing Debian releases like if it was the stock market 😂
OP: 
Debian users analyzing graphs in order to estimate when they can upgrade from really old software to slightly less old software 🤣
I know you're joking but with flatpaks and app images you don't even notice the oldness any more.
This is like Nostradamus for me. I don't want to update and deal with potential breaks.
If this is all people cared about they'd be using Sid. Debian Stable is stable. It's not there to be flashy and new. It's there to work and stay working.
Yes, indeed. Even agreed! Joking i was, poking some fun. All in jest, even the emoji couldn't put the overly serious answers to rest!
Actually I'm waiting on Debian 13 to get Incus 6.0 LTS! Current machines with LXD 5.0 are starting to annoy me.
It's on backports :D
(I'm actually running it from the Zabbly repos.)
I know, but I can't enable backports. Same goes for the risks with using the Zabbly and their dependencies.
Ah, sucks :(
I'm looking forward to see where Incus OS goes, or TrueNAS Scale. Honestly, I was very tempted to automate a procedure to take a Proxmox ZFS install and replace the Proxmox bits with Incus bits :) Incus + ZFS as an appliance would be nice. I kinda don't want to think about the underlying OS.
Incus OS
That will be the end of Proxmox. And I really hope it happens fast.
I upgraded to Trixie last week.
It already worked as flawlessly as I'd expect it when the release is official.
It installed a bunch of new packages, removed the same number of obsolete ones, and upgraded everything else.
On the next apt update, it asks to reformat sources.list and that's it.
Yeah, I did that in a system as well and seems to work, for for the others I'll have to wait for the final release, too critical. I'm one of those guys who runs a lot of Debian because the risks of a distro like Ubuntu Server are way over what I can be exposed to.
Yeah, you don't want to have to explain that production went down cause you migrated it to the "Testing" branch.
Trust me, at that point there won't be any explaining possible :D
We've been burned by a lot of distros in the past and right now it all boils down to using Debian and RHEL, everything else mostly failed at some point or will not uphold the stability guarantees. Even containers with Alpine fucked us over once with the musl DNS issues and a few other missing parts...
This is the reason I upgraded to Trixie six months ago. Wish I knew better about back ports. Can't wait to be back in stable release for that server. Love Incus.
The day I do the old fashioned sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and everything suddenly breaks is when I know I’m on Debian 13.
debian updates usually go pretty smooth in my personal experience. last time i had an annoying problem with the nvidia proprietary drivers, but that was an exception (i had no such problem in previous updates) and i think it was my fault
Unless you change your sources.list, you'll just update your current system.
unless they have stable instead of bookworm on their sources.list
It defaults to the codename. Any installer you download will be either Bookworm or Sid right now.
I really wish they had easier way to switch to newer version. It works for me, since it's not that hard to edit sources.list (or debian.sources nowadays), but I don't get why they don't make a tool that does a release upgrade like on Ubuntu. Could even list changes made to the sources file during execution for that matter.
Yeah, I don't know. Probably because people don't immediately upgrade? A lot of people use a release until it goes EoL.
If you didn't mess with your sources.list it won't switch to the new release automatically.
It's been reported (Debian mailing list, Phoronix, Linuxiac) that Debian 13 will likely be out this summer. The hard freeze is on May 15 and usually that means the actual release is pretty close, just a couple of months away.
Phoronix speculated that ,since Debian 12 went from initial freeze to stable release in 5 months, Debian 13 could release around August.
Pleeaaasssee get kernel 6.14 in, or at least to Backports. I've been doing work to support the new dual screen Zenbook Pro in Linux, and I'm having to do it with Ubuntu 25.10 because Backports only goes to 6.13. Though my trusty remove-snap script still works.
Debian stable only uses LTS kernel releases, so unfortunately you'll need to wait for it to appear in trixie-backports.
That's a nice graphic. I'd love to see something comparing it to a rolling release or fedora.
Unfortunately, it wouldn't tell you anything because you'd compare apples with oranges.
But since opensuse has a (multiple) stable and rolling release, how would it look there? More like the testing release?
For OpenSUSE, they'd probably have two different graphs.