Looking at Debian's release-critical bugs, you can see that Trixie is close:
Testing now has fewer critical bugs than Stable, and the number is dropping quickly.
About 200 bugs still need to be fixed to get the number down to where the previous releases were done.

Maybe you can help? Bugs blocking the next release can be as simple as missing translations for the upgrade instructions.

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[–] 120 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus, people analyzing Debian releases like if it was the stock market 😂

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Debian users analyzing graphs in order to estimate when they can upgrade from really old software to slightly less old software 🤣

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Actually I'm waiting on Debian 13 to get Incus 6.0 LTS! Current machines with LXD 5.0 are starting to annoy me.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I upgraded to Trixie last week.
    It already worked as flawlessly as I'd expect it when the release is official.
    It installed a bunch of new packages, removed the same number of obsolete ones, and upgraded everything else.
    On the next apt update, it asks to reformat sources.list and that's it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I did that in a system as well and seems to work, for for the others I'll have to wait for the final release, too critical. I'm one of those guys who runs a lot of Debian because the risks of a distro like Ubuntu Server are way over what I can be exposed to.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you don't want to have to explain that production went down cause you migrated it to the "Testing" branch.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Trust me, at that point there won't be any explaining possible :D

    We've been burned by a lot of distros in the past and right now it all boils down to using Debian and RHEL, everything else mostly failed at some point or will not uphold the stability guarantees. Even containers with Alpine fucked us over once with the musl DNS issues and a few other missing parts...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's on backports :D

    (I'm actually running it from the Zabbly repos.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know, but I can't enable backports. Same goes for the risks with using the Zabbly and their dependencies.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, sucks :(

    I'm looking forward to see where Incus OS goes, or TrueNAS Scale. Honestly, I was very tempted to automate a procedure to take a Proxmox ZFS install and replace the Proxmox bits with Incus bits :) Incus + ZFS as an appliance would be nice. I kinda don't want to think about the underlying OS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Incus OS

    That will be the end of Proxmox. And I really hope it happens fast.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I dunno, I still have a soft spot for Proxmox. I want ZFS, so it's about the only game in town with support.

    (TrueNAS Scale looks good, but it would increase too much my Hetzner costs, because of their requirement of having a dedicated root pool. And I don't want an LTS distro that supports root-on-ZFS "oficially". That narrows the field quite a bit.)

    (For work and for my workstations, I'm very pleased with Incus on top of Debian... but that's because I don't need ZFS on those.)

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's been reported (Debian mailing list, Phoronix, Linuxiac) that Debian 13 will likely be out this summer. The hard freeze is on May 15 and usually that means the actual release is pretty close, just a couple of months away.

    Phoronix speculated that ,since Debian 12 went from initial freeze to stable release in 5 months, Debian 13 could release around August.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Pleeaaasssee get kernel 6.14 in, or at least to Backports. I've been doing work to support the new dual screen Zenbook Pro in Linux, and I'm having to do it with Ubuntu 25.10 because Backports only goes to 6.13. Though my trusty remove-snap script still works.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Debian stable only uses LTS kernel releases, so unfortunately you'll need to wait for it to appear in trixie-backports.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I just finally updated the last remaining servers to bookworm this weekend, so a next release is probably coming soon. Proven by earlier experiences

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dude chill it's not crypto

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    The day I do the old fashioned sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and everything suddenly breaks is when I know I’m on Debian 13.

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  • [+] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    unless they have stable instead of bookworm on their sources.list

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I really wish they had easier way to switch to newer version. It works for me, since it's not that hard to edit sources.list (or debian.sources nowadays), but I don't get why they don't make a tool that does a release upgrade like on Ubuntu. Could even list changes made to the sources file during execution for that matter.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    debian updates usually go pretty smooth in my personal experience. last time i had an annoying problem with the nvidia proprietary drivers, but that was an exception (i had no such problem in previous updates) and i think it was my fault

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i made a spreadsheet of debian release dates, graphed the days between releases and calculated a probable release date based on last release date + average days between releases* +/- 1 std deviation

    if i remember correctly, bookworm was within my predicted range (apr-aug 2023, i think) and we're now fully within trixie's predicted range


    *before etch (4.0), release intervals varied wildly, so I don't take those into consideration

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    That's a nice graphic. I'd love to see something comparing it to a rolling release or fedora.

    Unfortunately, it wouldn't tell you anything because you'd compare apples with oranges.

    But since opensuse has a (multiple) stable and rolling release, how would it look there? More like the testing release?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    What's the mysterious purple line? Red Hat?

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