Im okay, was gonna donate. But not if it supports lemmy.ml
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I used to put up $50/mo to Hexbear, until they banned me for defending the DSA.
So far, the politics on this community have been dogshit. But the moderation has been generally fair, friendly, and functional. To you, I say, Shut Up and Take My Money. Thanks for letting me continue my shitposting habits, even if we've agreed to disagree.
Thatβs whatβs so rich. Used to donate to the Lemmy devs and then got censored on .ml for not bootlicking the CCP. Lemmy devs have a PR problem, maybe thatβs why theyβre struggling.
I still contribute to world and voyager.
Is it possible donate to Lemmy development without contributing to Lemmy.ml?
The donation pays salary for devs and (barely) not site maintenance, but the devs are also basically lemmy.ml, so the distinction may not feel useful.
So can I contribute to lemmy.world?
Sure. And then they can contribute it to .ml, because that's who is providing the labor to keep the site up.
Oh wow, I see.
Nah.
ml can shit itself and rot. So can the rest of Lemmy if that's not a price that's worth being paid.
These money will go to two people who created and actively maintain and promote an instance pretending the brutal murder of Ukranians is not happening but also necessary, and deleting and banning contrary opinions.
No.
Damn. This guy's right. I'm going back to Reddit and Facebook, safe in the knowledge I'll never be exposed to a Russian bot or paid influencer.
No.
Comments are a hilarious minefield and a painful reminder of exactly how online leftists can never get shit done. We want FOSS federated social media platforms to escape the tech giants that would happily facilitate a fascist wave if it meant they can serve more targeted ads. But when that platform actually exists in a totally functional and apolitical way, we don't want to support its development because the people willing to work full time on the project for poverty wages have bad political opinions. It's so bad that we'd rather support Steve Huffman's bot farm which is 1,000 times as politically influential as Lemmy will ever be at this rate.
We want FOSS federated social media and people have jumped ship to Lemmy because it was the most developed at that point. But I will keep reminding people that Lemmy isn't the only option we have. I jumped from Lemmy to Mbin because I can no longer tolerate how Lemmy devs act and IMO anyone feeling the same way should also jump ship. Lemmy devs don't own the activitypub and Mbin can federate with Lemmy communities. You can continue using the fediverse as you've been using it on Lemmy, until hopefully in the future communities also start migrating to Mbin (and all the tankies can stay in Lemmy). If you don't like the state of Lemmy, be the change you want to see.
Also worth pointing out that this kind of drama won't happen with Mbin because the project is community maintained not individually maintained.
Mbin is in PHP. It's doomed. Weakly typed, garbage collection, effectively deprecated language. There's no way it'll ever scale as well as Lemmy.
It's not only the tech I have an issue with, it's also the fragmentation. Just like we didn't need a dozen and half Lemmy clients, most of which would die, it'd be incredibly helpful for more people to be putting effort towards Lemmy. If Lemmy devs refuse to accept PRs, they can even decide to fork. Part of the reason I'm okay with all this is that the current Lemmy devs really don't have all that much control over it. The biggest pull that they have is that they'll continue to give us their work. If they prevent as much work as they accomplish, then their influence can disappear overnight.
Rust is a better language. It's better tech. It'll scale better. It's a growing language instead of a dying one. For those less in the know, it's roughly the difference between using C++ and, well, PHP. Except Rust is straight up better than C++, so much so that the US government has projects to migrate shit from C++ to Rust.
PHP is hardly doomed. It's still getting new releases (last one being 19 days ago) and it's still relatively popular for web development, which means it's going to be support for quite a while. The rest what you've said about PHP is more or less just your opinion. As for Rust, Rust is a good language but Rust isn't very popular at this moment and it's even less popular when it comes to web development because most of the things that make Rust great are things that are simply not that important for web development. Most web development languages are performant enough, rust being even more performant isn't going to be noticed. And because social media sites aren't exactly security-critical Rust being memory safe won't play a big role. The only clear benefit Rust has over PHP is being strongly typed.
But there's a very obvious benefit to PHP. You simply develop faster. If you had 2 identical web projects, one in PHP and one in Rust, and you were equally skilled in both languages you'd finish the PHP project faster because PHP is literally designed for web development. Speed is a much bigger factor when developing a Reddit style content aggregator site.
As for the second point. You have an issue with fragmentation, but your solution to Lemmy devs refusing to cooperate is fragmentation? People forking Lemmy will also lead to fragmentation. Fragmentation is bad, but eventually people will gravitate towards one solution and fragmentation gets solved. It there's very little different between the fragmentation happening between Lemmy forks or Lemmy and Mbin. IMO fragmentation is inevitable and I would rather see it happen right now rather than sit through N different Lemmy dramas until everyone gets so fed up with Lemmy devs that Lemmy gets forked and the fork becomes more popular than Lemmy.
Trying to piece things together it sounds like the beef is with lemmy.ml maintainers and not Lemmy in general. This is what federation's all about: You like the product but don't like how it's being used, so you switch to using instances that are used the way you like and support those instances in kind, all while blocking and/or criticizing the instances you don't like without risking having your access revoked.
The problem is, Lemmy developers are lemmy.ml maintainers. You can't have one without the other.
Yes, but the issue is that the lemmy.ml maintainers are the Lemmy developers. The people who created the software, and continue maintaining it, are the same people who created the instance.
It's the well-known question of if you can, or should, separate the art from the artist. By funding, in its current state, the development of Lemmy, you're supporting the people running an instance you disagree with. Unless you're willing to take up the work to fork and continue development yourself, you can't detach them, you either support both or none.
Being Ukrainian it's not possible for me to donate to supporters of russian genocidal imperialism.
I hope both of them meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley:
Bentleyβs wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.
According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.
I am personally hoping that the core software will be forked while retaining the Lemmy name. Change it to Lemmy-TSF (tankie scum free). I would donate monthly to a development team that doesn't include genocide supporters.
If half the people circlejerking in here were serious they could pay a liberal developer to contribute instead, but somehow I doubt that's happening.
I was thinking long and hard about this to form an opinion, but my answer is no.
The final decission point was: I'm from Slovakia, it's no secret that Russia would love to take us under their sphere of influence. You and your instance is not only supporting this, you're actively propagating this. In fact, I'm pretty sure if Russian soldiers would be at my doorstep, threatening my family, you and your instance would be cheering. And when I would realize, that I actively supported this, that would break me.
If you're about to publish your work for free, I gladly use it as long as it's run by good people like lemmy.world. This way you get no support from me. If I'd pay you, I don't know what part of my support would end up in .ml instance which I see as a propaganda machine against countries like mine. And even if you say that none of my money would end up there, I kind of don't want to support you as a human being. I won't pay your salary so you have energy to do what you do on .ml instance.
If Lemmy as a project dies, so be it. Foss world can always spark successful forks (see OpenElec vs LibreElec) and alternatives like PieFed already exist
thanks to those who donate and keep this place running, cuz I can't right now :)