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Updegrove drew a parallel between now and the period beginning during Reconstruction when post-Civil War advances like the 13th Amendment were hurt by the rise of White Supremacy and Jim Crow.
Oh today I learned something. I didn't know Reconstruction was a loss for civil rights
Please be gentle with me, I learned American History from the American school system so there's a lot of gaps... I did watch all of Forrest Gump though.
I think he's talking about the backlash to the progresses in civil rights, not that Reconstruction itself was a loss for Civil Rights, but that it was undermined by white supremacists, and later dismantled after the abrupt end of Reconstruction.
The same federal laws from Reconstruction applied across the whole country. Except there were "creative" legislators, executives, lawyers, and citizen organizations in the South that found loopholesto exploit. Most people in the North didn't do that (obviously there were exceptions).
Add to that the violent, murderous rampages that occurred against successful black people and neighborhoods, and "Reconstruction" was very complex in its implementation.
the usa was never progressive, its the most right wing country in western world. they just have a veneer of progressivism, which is nothing more than performative or virtue signalling.
if they did, they wouldnt be caving to every GOPs demands, and now MAgats just to pass a bill. the civil rights was done because they were afraid the people would start getting support from the soviets to push thier agenda.
Someone just do it already…
Racism, like the wind, has always been with us. Only a closet racist would claim otherwise.
Or just a blind and ignorant person at least
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Just 10 years ago the US was still seen as being progressive
Sorry what, by whom?
Relative to our past and relative to many other countries we were doing pretty well. Not perfect but large meaningful improvements.
Being dragged kicking and screaming into making some progress is more how I would have described the political side of that though.
which still saw america as being the greatest it had ever been in 2015. the united states has been an eternal nightmare, and the fact that the people were forcing it to be better, kicking and screaming, was the tidal shift that saw the parasites clamoring for 45.
they probably mean "culturally progressive", as in, woke leaning. bombs with rainbows painted on them.
the US was only very briefly controlled by a progressive govt and it took a great depression and threats of mob violence against the ruling class to get that much.
10 years ago I was a teenager to be completely fair
Racism has never been a thing of the past. Maybe in textbooks, but not in reality.
Tell people they’re being oppressed, they’ll become defensive, then frustrated opposition will retaliate against their fallacies, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Religion becomes more important than education, and the government gains more control over the people.
The harder non-religious people fight back, the more the government will be validated in its assertion of religious oppression.
Just stay calm and be empathetic. Use logic and love as your weapons. They say you hate them, prove to them you don’t. Your anger gives them power.
Your anger gives them power.
So does complacency.
I never said be complacent. Just be smart.
Tell people they’re being oppressed, they’ll become defensive, then frustrated opposition will retaliate against their fallacies, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Religion becomes more important than education, and the government gains more control over the people.
If you're suggesting that even just pointing to existing oppression is going to lead to this 'self-fulfilling prophesy', then I think we have very different definitions of 'complacency' and 'smart'.
The harder non-religious people fight back, the more the government will be validated in its assertion of religious oppression.
The government will validate itself however it wants. This isn't about religion, it's about fear, and hatred. They have no goals other than power. They can only hold power as long as they can inspire fear and spread hatred, and so their supporters have been twisted to fear the helpless and hate the innocent.
They will not listen to your logic. If they would, we would not be here. They will not recognize your love. If they could, we would not be here.
This will not stop unless they are made to stop.
We need to move people. Millions of people will not march for love. I am all for non-violent resistance, but non-violent doesn't mean calm.
Do you know how John Adams described the civilians who were shot and killed in the Boston Massacre?
The day that - in his words - "laid the foundation for American Independence"?
He called them a mob.
Don't be calm. Get fucking angry.
1000% agree.
Logic and love, people. Don’t let them have something to dig their heels into. You can change people with logic and love. Even the most curmudgeon people can change. Empathize and remain calm and understanding. Everyone is a human being with their faults and fallacies. I know it’s hard to see it that way, and the easy path is to argue and get angry. That will not work here Keep at it with logic and love and you will move mountains, I promise you.
The hard part for most is patience. Real change takes time, unless you want to be a fascist on the opposite side of the spectrum. Either way works, but at the end of the day a fascist is a fascist is a fascist.
To a certain extent, I agree with you. It is even in their own book— turning the other cheek. And despite everything, I think kindness always counts.
That said, there comes a point where I feel I need to see if I can drag the horse to the water rather than hoping it will follow me there. If it doesn’t, perhaps it is a lost cause and I should go find another horse. Know what I mean?
It’s just hard to find where that moment is, especially if it is family.