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Someone operating a small gratis online service in Germany posted an address for GDPR requests. I happened to be passing through the neighborhood so I went to the address to drop a cash donation in their box. But I was blocked because it was an apartment building with a locked front door and no access to mail slots which are apparently in the lobby. Buzzing yielded no answer, so I could not donate cash.

About half the apartment buildings on the street were designed to block public access to mailboxes. A bartender told me it was some kind of German privacy rule and that postal workers get a front door key to all such buildings. I don’t quite grasp the issue being solved. Mail slots can have flaps that prevent inadvertently seeing someone else’s mail. Is there a problem with malicious snoops probing into mailboxes with a camera? Or mail theft? If someone is so interested in snooping, wouldn’t they just wait until a legit resident uses the door and do a tailgate entry anyway?

Anything to increase security is a good idea in the absence of compromise. But this seems like a bad compromise because it means that Deutche Post has an exclusive monopoly on mail delivery (like USPS in the US). In the case at hand, I would not trust the postal network with cash.

Postal services are now threatened by relentless digitization. E.g.:

  • Belgium has reduced non-priority mail delivery to just a few times per week
  • Denmark has completely eliminated mail delivery (yikes!)

If the Denmark scenario were to play out in Germany, the mailboxes would be unreachable to 3rd party couriers. Maybe it’s favorable in the sense that the access restriction could actually prevent Germany from becoming as foolishly digital as Denmark.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What you were told is both right and wrong. Many buildings in Germany had to be rebuilt after WW2. These were often build according to similar plans, with the mailboxes right behind the entry door. Some sort of tradition, probably, or it just fit the architect's plans. There's not always room for external mailboxes in some layouts. Even some modern buildings follow this plan, there is no outside mailbox. But not because of malicious camera probing persons, most of these were built in the 1950ies (think bigger cameras). Usually some housewife was always there, to open the doors for the postal or communal workers (trashbins were usually in the backyards, and had to be moved through the house on trash day). So times changed, and the fulltime housewifes also had to work to secure a living for the family, and nobody would be at home to open the door. So people tended to leave a front door key with the -then- monopolist Deutsche Post delivery person to ensure their letters got delivered. This was ok for a time, but the monopoly broke and DHL deliveries are no longer done by the same person, they shift their delivery area according to some strange loadbalancing scheme.

So, tl;dr: Most of what you were told is probably outdated, and most of what you angrily interpret into an unconvenient situation is wrong. Hope this helps to clarify, and please try to be a little bit more open to other, non-malicious thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate the insight. My other speculation was that it was an anti-spam tactic.

In Belgium residents can post a sign/sticker saying /no pub/ and by law it must be complied with, but there is no enforcement and not much compliance. Unlike Switzerland, who charges people to opt-out of ads but then diligently fines violators.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This is also true for advertisements here, sticker with "Bitte keine Werbung einwerfen", but does not work for postal ads.