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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know memories are tiny and all that, but has the concept of mutually assured destruction completely left the "journalist" class's brains? They do understand China and the US both have ICBMs and thus any aggression from either side may well escalate to thermonuclear war and the complete destruction of the earth... right? Like, everyone knows this. So when you type out anything along the lines of "prepare for US war against China" you're also writing "prepare for nuclear holocaust."

This warmongering against China is completely deranged and if I were writing a fictional book, which I am, a completely fictional and made up book, one of the fictional characters protected under the first amendment (allegedly) would advocate, again, in a book, that anyone with a meaningful "platform", Chinese citizen or American, who instigates war between the two countries be summarily executed. A couple Fox News idiots and Elon Musk, in a book, being shot live on tv would be far preferable to whatever the fuck is happening. These pieces of dogshit aid the military and CIA in every. Single. War and whatever else bad and nothing or very little ever happens to them. A fictional character seeks to change that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know what is deranged? Westerners calling close the sky and bomb Russia knowing fully that Russia has the highest nukes in the world along with hypersonic glider vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are so used to war being something that happens There and not Here that they cannot comprehend it actually affecting them. War happens on TV or in the arms manufacturer's bank accounts, not at home.

They also probably believe their own propaganda that Russia is so outdated that none of their arsenal would work.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Man, the concerts for #closeTheSkyortheChildrenWillDie was too surreal. Even when Putin raised the nukes for highest alert 🚨 the psychos were like.. Yeah we have nukes too...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

yeah, there are used to the idea that war is like going safari with the boys, les go shoot some .

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We have to realize that the oligarchy is deranged and would rather slaughter the planet then give up even a fraction of their power. They think they will safety slip away to their bunkers in Africa and the Nordic countries where they expect to live like small lords, paying off what little is left of humanity to serve them.

We can only hope when they do they get their throats slit in the middle of the night by one of their "servants."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

minecraft journalists in roblox

there's a minecraft mod where you can run a newspaper in roblox it's fun

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really hope we live in a world where the US gets every punishment those batshits deserve

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

gets every punishment those batshits deserve

Crater this deep would probably be detrimental for planet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Doesn't have to be a crater. Our power grid is so fragile that taking out about a dozen specific sub stations would wipe power out for most of the country for upwards of 18 months assuming we had full use of the military to begin repairs. In that time it's estimated 80% of the population would die. Unfortunately it would be all the poorer, working class people as the rish would jump ship and/or hide away.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I hope to see a day where we can say "Neo-Stalin shouldn't have stopped at the Eastern seaboard"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Armchair specialists: China and the USA will fight to the death!

Reality: USA will bomb Taiwan back to the stone age before China can retake control of it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not even sure the US can bomb Taiwan, it's so close to the shore that the PLA can defend it pretty efficiently I would think.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US also officially recognises Taiwan as part of China, too, right? So if the US bombs Taiwan, that's essentially declaring war on China. It'll be gearing to get China to do the bombing but China won't fall for it. All it has to do is wait it out. Meanwhile, the US is fighting itself, the planet, and most of the world for its own survival. Edward Gibbons' History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire will be turned into a movie to be played around Hallowe'en in the US within the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

They recognize that there can only be one united China yes, so if they attacked Taiwan it would be considered an attack on the PRC. They're so slimy they would probably refuse the one china principle and declare the ROC something weird like "Non-administered territory" or something, like Bush did for "enemy combatant" which has become accepted in common discourse 20 years later it's crazy.

But likewise the PRC considers Taiwan to be theirs and would defend it. They also consider the people living in Taiwan to be their citizens, so I assume they would organize evacuations of the island in case of war. They probably have plans drawn up already to make it efficient. As for the ROC army... they would disband in 48 hours tops lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not really WW2, you can just have planes, subs, or ships launch missiles from 100km out. You can't intercept them all, or many of them for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There are systems to intercept missiles in flight, the US has the Patriot for example. Taiwan also conveniently sits around 100 miles (160km) of the mainland, not far at all to be deploying ships, planes and other defense systems from the shore.

China has one major advantage too, hypersonic* missiles.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Everything you said is true, but still missile interception is a risky business, if not just a “pray to god you can shoot it down” event. Plus a high altitude bomber or sub can fire cruise missiles from a 1000 km away before quickly turning tail or slipping deep into the dark pacific, so interception would be difficult there are well.

Plus American interceptors out of Guam, Japan, Okinawa, Korea, or even Taiwan itself would complicate things significantly.

But you are right that Taiwan would be generally easier to defend.

However I doubt that the US has lagged behind in supersonic missile development, because if one thing, they absolutely love their weapons of war.

A war would be a shit show and Taiwan would probably be devastated either way. Either by a Chinese assault, or an American retaliation or counter assault.

It’s also concerning to think that it might just become a stalemate. The Chinese Navy would probably turn the US Navy to scrap, but at the same time how would a Chinese amphibious force fare against a city/mountainous terrain target that’s bristling every 3 meters with artillery, SAMS, tanks, anti ship launchers, AA, and Taiwanese/American soldiers?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

not wanting to be an armchair general, since i don't understand much about military things.

i make a guess that china has logistical advantage, continuous delivering ammo and weapons, they have a insanely strong industrial capability, and in a time of war that can be converted to, high speed trains make sure the equipment arrives safe and fast, while usa produced equipment would need to be delivered mostly by the pacific ocean since they don't have a reliable way to deliver to a landmass close to taiwan and just finish the deliver by water, and chinas navy is very active in the pacific which can make such deliveries hard, i think for something to be delivered safe and quick, would be by diverting equipment from south korea or japan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China has th benefit of not needing to win, they only need to create the conditions for the USA to collapse. If they scrap the US Navy, it's not hard at that point to just put things in stalemate and let the West falls apart.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, but then you enter a war of attrition which has its own host of problems. After a while war exhaustion would steadily increase, and the impact of a war on china’s/the US’/the worlds economy would be devastating.

It would be a lethal game of Chicken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it would be chicken. Without a navy, the US can't maintain supply lines to the Pacific theatre and they would need to open up a Western front and enlist Europe in the war. Japan and Australia would need to take over the Pacific front. This is why multipolarity and Chinese diplomacy are critical to ensuring that the USA doesn't have a path to victory through these proxies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

True, but I guess that all depends on how many supplies the US has stockpiled in Taiwan, and how self sustainable the island is.

Plus I doubt starving the island into submission would make the Taiwanese people very happy with China, so it’s a giant big mess no matter how you approach it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

USA will bomb Taiwan back to the stone age before China can retake control of it.

And blame China and every westerner will believe it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

reality: usa will fight china until the last taiwanese

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, any war would have amerikkka launch cruise missiles at the tsmc plant right at the start.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just what we need at this stage of climate change. The world's single largest polluting institution everyone.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/Pentagon%20Fuel%20Use%2C%20Climate%20Change%20and%20the%20Costs%20of%20War%20Revised%20November%202019%20Crawford.pdf

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's really incredible that even in a paper filled with statistics like this

The DOD is the single largest consumer of energy in the US, and in fact, the world’s single largest institutional consumer of petroleum. Since 2001, the DOD has consistently consumed between 77 and 80 percent of all US government energy consumption.

The language surrounding the military is so fucking glowing. Clearly the imperialist brainrot runs deep. Its disgusting the way they deepthroat the boot here. Look at this little gem for example.

The US military is preparing for threats of attack from human adversaries including terrorists. The threats of terrorism and Russian, Iranian, Chinese or Korean aggression are all real, but terrorists and these countries are not certain to attack the US. Arms control and diplomacy can deescalate tensions and reduce threats. Economic sanctions can also diminish the capacity of states and non-state actors to threaten the security interests of the US and its allies.

They spend the whole paper outling the incredible levels of US military pollution, while simultaneously defending it with fantastical chauvinist arguments. A truly insane juxtaposition.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Eighty. Fucking. Percent. J.F.C.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't assume the readers/hearers of the propaganda all believe it. The military must maintain recruitment numbers and they'll spend a lot of money to do so. So we'll hear a lot about how great they are. The DOD even spends a lot of time and money providing props and such for Hollywood movies. They even help edit the scripts to ensure the US military isn't put in a bad light.

It's not that the brainrot runs deep. It's more that the propaganda does. Don't blame the people for the stuff they didn't consent to.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On one hand yeah, USians are the most propagandized people on Earth. But on the other hand, they're not that dumb. Recruitment rates are falling for a reason, everyone knows what the military is really for and what it's doing abroad. The people that enlist are generally those who come from military families or who want the benefits.

Sorry if I don't sympathize with those who are ok with subjugating/murdering other people for their career. Or to make Dad proud or whatever

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

American here. A big reason as well is the military can't even successfully bribe people anymore. It's pretty widely understood, even among the dumbest and most indoctrinated here, that the US military leaves its veterans in the dust.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Wine cave warriors in my local area really want some le epic war they can watch on their screens and clink glasses to the death and mayhem, confident that Napa Valley will never be a target.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

US Army Corps of Engineers has begun constructing this for the final battle: (Final Level Mario 64)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Chinese soldiers are drilling in pole skips and BLJs as we speak.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking christ

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They’ve already instigated a war with one nuclear power, what’s one more?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

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