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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I didnt have much to begin with only lost about 12k, I have nothing anyway. My mother lost roughly 100k in her retirement fund from all this crashing. My grandmother even more. How much have you lost in Trump's Tantrum Tariffs game?

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I lost zero because the number going down doesn’t equal the value going down. You only lose if you panic sell.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You still lose time, and are now stuck in an unprofitable investment rather than a profitable one. So you are also losing all the value you would have gained had we stayed the course instead of doing this dumb shit. Thats called opportunity cost.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look up the stock market around March 2020. Huge dip then rebound to pretty much the same trajectory. As long as you left your stuff to sit, you're still doing fine. There's no reason to think the massive rebound would have still occurred without the dip.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trying to beat the market is a waste of time. You’re not stuck in an unprofitable investment unless you’re trying to get rich quick. You invest based on your strategy and value of said investment. It isn’t just because the number goes up and down. Time in the market wins every time. Read the founder of Vanguard’s book on investing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ordinarily, yes. But in this case, we're dealing with a type of risk we don't usually have to worry about: sovereign risk. It is entirely possible that Trump could be fucking up the country in ways that the market will never come back from because companies just get entirely destroyed or nationalized or who knows what.

In that sort of case, changing your investments -- not timing the market, but responding to the potentially permanent difference in circumstances -- can make sense.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yep. I'm amazed at how many Lemmy people don't realize this.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

I haven't sold, so none. I'm going to buy a bit more. Even if it goes down I can still get dividends and borrow against it rather than selling if i need

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nothing because I haven't sold anything and aren't planning to either. I hold and keep buying more. Just like I did thru the previous dips.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Keep calm and hold, that is the way.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had a trust fund of stocks and my mum said she sold them whenever a crash happened.... Why.....

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I decided to adult and buy a few stocks. So far I've lost six hundred dollars.

Yes that doesn't seem like a lot but I've never invested before and I'm not exactly rich.

Haven't checked my retirement because I've never expected to be able to retire in this country. I will work till I die. Yay, American dream! 🙁

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I lost everything long before this, sadly. Didn't even have money to start rebuilding before the tariffs nonsense.

It all feels insurmountable. Like it was going to be hard to build it all back, but now, with the tariffs? Just feels pointless.

The number of times I cry because it took me until I was nearly forty to own a bed of my own, and to just be a few years past forty and back down to basically nothing and sleeping on a 15+ year old mattress that isn't even mine that hurts my back every night is too damn high.

I never had much, all told it was all worth maybe $2000, but it's all gone now. It all feels so petty but it was mine, the few things I had were mine, and I took good care of them. It feels like a joke that it could have all been replaced for so cheap yet I have had no options because of my cancer.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

once the little people sell their assets for pennies, they will just bulk buy it at a bargain and reverse the shitty decisions that made it crash.

just legalized robbery-with-extra-steps.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hope no one sells, if anything they should buy more. Assuming, and that’s a big word here, they can afford to.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

All my loss has had nothing to do with the economy.

I've had basically everything I own in life thrown away. Twice. Once when I was 19 and got a job on a cruise ship; my parents sold my car and had my siblings move everything out of my room so my brother could take the room, and those two assholes just threw everything in the trash.

It happened again when I got married and my (now ex) wife got rid of everything of mine that I had before we met.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I bought European defense stocks so I get happy whatever he says.

Jokes aside about 30k maybe? Not sold anything and I did not care enough to check. Hopefully he does not get to stay in office for another 4 years. I'll just buy more meanwhile.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I haven't checked. It's a long-term investment anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Untill you sell, you haven't actually lost anything tangiable.

What I mean is that the market can absolutely bounce back once the situation is stabilized again, if you have time and resources, it might be worth riding this out.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Aren't the stock markets supposed to recover from a crisis like this, as they always did in the past?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it doesn't everyone will have more to worry about than the worth of their 401k.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I sold about a third of my shares in my retirement index fund into “cash” about a month ago. This was obviously coming and I figured I would try to time the market in this instance. I didn’t have the balls to do the whole thing but I stand to make a nice gain if I can buy back in on the way up.

The next few years will be a constant whip saw of crashes and “recoveries”, because the big money wins more when prices are volatile. They sell before you can. They buy before you can. It’s a dance they take advantage of, and we should try to as well.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm in the middle of closing on a house. I'll let you know in 5 years.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nothing. Sold everything when I heard that warren buffet had sold everything

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So you're fully invested in USD?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Not a penny. I dumped my meager stocks in November and I shit you not rolled them over into a bunch of nonperishable food

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The market has given up about one year's gain, so people who have held diversified portfolios for longer than that haven't really "lost"anything.

Yet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In January I moved all my 401k funds to a vangaurd stable fund which mostly invested in money markets. My 401k is somehow up from April 1st by a few %. Thinking of reallocating to take advantage of Trump's inevitable reversal.

My guess is he will do it piecemeal as countries cave to his attempt at soliciting bribes. So the market as a whole wont recover all at once. When I see he is starting to reverse individual tariffs, that's when I'll do the reallocation. But until then I think there is more to lose.

Also I shorted Elmo and cashed out high enough to cover the losses on the rest of my portfolio. So somehow I didn't get turbofucked by them this time.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i am just starting on a fresh 401k account, i guess i got lucky, but people with decades worth of contributions must be swearing bullets

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm swearing more than just bullets.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

$155k, and it could have been worse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Actual numbers?

Approaching a half million.

That’s from two people’s combined lifetime efforts at saving for retirement. We max out our retirement contributions and live modestly, I have a mandatory retirement age by law, and we can only hope that the markets will return our savings by then.

For the record, it’s shitty that people’s retirements are tied to the stock market.

401(k) plans never meant to be a complete retirement plan. Where does that leave future retirees?

Nearly three-quarters of all 401(k) money is held in stocks, according to a Vanguard report from 2021.

I read somewhere and can’t find it anymore, but up to 40% of the stock market value is comprised of peoples’ retirement savings or plans.

So you can see how devastating this stock market decline could be if it gets worse, on top of all the issues with jobs it will cause.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Don't sell is my advice. Maybe it will take some time but the market will recover one day. The next peak will be bigger than the last, and the next and the next. If you zoom out you will see a steady line up. So sit down, and stop checking your account.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

About a year’s salary.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since I'm not american, nothing that I know of

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Oh, the rest of the world is definitely feeling the ripples.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Technically none, as nothing has realised yet. :P

Down 14% since the start of March

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm down $7k, so far.
I should have bailed early, but the tax hit would have been just as bad.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

If you think you should have bailed then you shouldn’t be investing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

In what world is a tax hit just as bad? If you're having to pay taxes, you made money.

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