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The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I use arch btw

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

from my own experience, that's definitely the case for Mastodon, except people are 40 and up.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Probably so. But then why are Android and Android Apps struggling for engagement? But more randoms, casuals, just a wider overall demographic will be needed for niche communities to become viable.

The communities I mainly communicated in on Reddit either don't exist, or have paltry engagement here.

This is why I am keeping my Reddit account active to make posts in these forums to invite others over here to build engagement.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Gosh I feel like this guy called me out.

But then I saw the user name.

Hmmm.....

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This is also me: I'm a 39 year old Ubuntu user who has been excited about the Internet since the day I first learned what a modem does, in maybe like, 1990?

So far I think Lemmy's a bit too technical for regular people to get started with the Fediverse and to figure out how to find the right communities to join in order to have content show up in their feed comparable to what they're already getting at a commercial service, which takes no effort at all to continue to scroll. Why would a normal person want to use alpha release software? We're still in the early days, we're the early adopters.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

23 year old electrician here. I'm pretty interested in dectralized tech. My first was Bitcoin

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Bah, I'm three raccoons in an overcoat.
Who.. have a steady IT job.. dang it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

we are the kind to early adopt new stuff

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Picking a server is complicated... And I still don't get how to get content from other servers into my main feed.

But the other thing is monitization. If you build up a decent filling on TikTock for example, they pay you. My kids friends are all chasing that.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Get off my lawn.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

"You must be new here"

We're always the first adopters.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I fit the profile

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Most people are older than 30.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You just described the demographics of the average early tech adopter.

Old enough to understand the importance of privacy and to care about the federation aspect of the fediverse, tech savvy and nerdy enough to not be discouraged by an unfamiliar interface and still developing environment. And apparently we like Linux too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Hah, I fit the description perfectly. Not too sure how to take that. ☹️

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm normier than the listed demographics and find the Fediverse and it's associated jargon to be inline with 4 dimensional crochet in terms of ease of use

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

To make myself clear I'd rather be confused about lemmy servers than ever, ever use Discord as a wiki

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Working aged zoomer here, it's amazing how much my generation doesn't know about computers in some aspects and how much they know in others. It seems I was born in a sweet spot when things still difficult but not completely dumbed down.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Reddit began in a similar fashion, so its a positive trait for sure

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There are a many people over the age of 30 on Reddit as under. People like us make up 50% of reddit users.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

24 yr old tech worker / Linux user checking in! I'm not old yet but I've got the spirit!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I feel it's complicated for the non-tech users but interestingly I have started to see some folks coming to Lemmy because I (a tech friend) started using it and advertising to them. I think it's these early adopters who play a major role in bringing the non-tech folks and people from other diverse culture.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm a 20 year old. I may be the only one in this thread unable to drink legally lol

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I spent most of my time on Reddit in the learn programming subs, so I'm glad at least that demographic has moved here. I'm almost 34, don't work in tech but want to, don't use Linux but want to (and if the rumors of windows adding ads to the OS are true I will switch to Linux full time except for gaming). I wasn't really that invested in the reddit API changes but I liked reddit when it was more under ground and wild west. I used to spend a lot of time on rcsources (those days are behind me regardless, though). So I wanted to see if there was still room on the internet for the outlaw tech cowboy shtick, and Lemmy stepped up to the plate.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Branding is also another factor that comes into play here. Most regular users are used to having a more polished app. Simplicity is the driving force behind apps like tiktok and Instagram. They build on top of each other rather than reinventing the wheel. So it's just a transfer of skills and patterns. With the fediverse, regular users have relearn those patterns and skills, which most people just aren't going to do.

One way to solve this problem is to just abstract the idea of the fediverse. Rather than saying "join the fediverse, we're decentralised" we could say "we're a multiverse of internet communities".

I also dont think regular users care about whether a post is from another server or not. This can be abstracted as well by only showing the community not the server. What I'm trying to say is, even though the fediverse is a decentralised network, we need to treat is as a centralized one.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I kind of fit the description so I certainly can't argue with you.

I think a big part of the reason you're so spot on is because of the timing. Painting with broad strokes here, but the group you mentioned is kind of the group you need for something like Lemmy to be built in the first place. And I fully appreciate Lemmy had been around for awhile now, but let's be honest, it's only recently become 'popular' thanks to u/spez.

I hope the username will expand as more people find out about Lemmy. I think with that will come feature changes (more likle9in the form of third party apps) as a more diverse group of people start using Lemmy.

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