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Each I is a finger, V is the thumb and index. X is crossing your index and middle finger.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Masters in classics here. They literally are, even the number 4. Look at a watch with Roman numerals and notice that the 4 is "IIII".

I = 1 finger

...

V = open hand

...

X = two open hands next to each other

Edit to add:

Why do you get "L" for 50 and "C" for 100? The C "centum" was written with two reversed "L" shapes. Take away half of that, and you are left with L.

Why do you get "M" for 1,000 and "D" for 500? Same reason--doubled up reversed D shapes. Take away half and you're left with a D.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

One of my undergrad professors said that they look as such because I, V and X can be easily marked using axes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

Or clay-incising tools. Or pieces of charcoal. Or chisels.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

L, C, M also make sense

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

That makes sense

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

IV and IX don't make sense when it could be done more intuitively by IIII and VIIII.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fewer axe marks.

IIII = 4 IV = 3

IX = 3 VIIII = 6

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Sure, but OP is talking about fingers as representation, not markings. Your point is exactly why they did it in writing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If thumb and index make V, then there's only 3 fingers left.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I see what you're saying, using one hand for the entire sequence. XI is still a pain. The real problem is that there is no mention of doing this in any Roman text. A bit of an omission, or was it a state secret?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I read that's how it was done for math, the exception being things like headlines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've always thought of them pretty much as fancy tally marks. The V and X aren't even that different from how we do a strike-through every 5.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

X is just 2 V stuck together. Same for C being 2 L stuck together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

X is just 2 V stuck together. Same for C being 2 L stuck together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Wtf why did that go through 3 times?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty interesting idea, can only do up to XII on one hand though

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Wow okay, that's a pretty convincing coincidence then

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe, but it's not the most likely explanation IMO.

Why not just count with the number of fingers (and thumbs) shown the same way everyone has done since forever?

They use straight lines because if you're marking anything which isn't paper with anything which isn't a pencil curved lines are a bitch. Straight lines could be a stylised representation of a finger, but they could also just be straight lines. Like @[email protected] said, if all the lines are the same length then you can make marks with axes, but the same applies when using a flattened reed to make impressions like with cuneiform.

I'm not sure if the romans were doing it but other base 12 societies pointed at the knuckles of their fingers with their thumb to count. It feels intuitive and natural. You could transact with someone who didn't share your language and who had never seen that system of counting before.

You might be right, but it seems unlikely to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh, it actually does kinda work. Could theoretically count 0 - 12 using one hand.

The only downside is that 4 (IV) / 6 (VI) and 9 (IX) / 11 (XI) look identical and are based on which direction you're viewing from

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

You could turn your hand around to get the single finger on the correct side

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

When you count to 100 you make C shapes with your hand?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Did you forget about L/C/M?

If I want to write my birth year, 1987, in roman numerals, I would need to write it like this:

MCMLXXXVII

To clarify:

1000+(-100+1000)+50+10+10+10+5+1+1

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

L: Hand in an L shape C: Hand in a C shape M: index, middle, and ring fingers pointed down