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thelemmy.club's Nazi bar problem: defederation worthy? [problem resolved] (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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FINAL UPDATE

@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:

  1. They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
  2. A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
  3. "realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/[email protected], /c/[email protected], and /c/[email protected]."

Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.

The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.

The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:

This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.

Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.

Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.

Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).

I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:

If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

eh havent personally noticed them. sounds like a local instance problem. not down playing the nazi bar problem but dont see the need to ban the instance atm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I say defederate-until, but I'd like the procedure of defederation to be more grounded in routine so that motivation is conveyed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think the nazi bar analogy is dumb. The story it is based on reminds me of those old facebook memes where the one christian student stands up to their atheist college professor and then everybody claps.

The main reason I think it's dumb though is that the term "nazi" seems to mean a multitude of different things to different people. Then you add to that the instinct people have to hyperbolise online and almost any instance could be a "nazi bar".

What do most people in this thread think lemmy.world is?

Edit:

It took me so long to understand the semantics of the emojis here. Like I thought land lubber might be a new insult that I'd not heard of instead of an instance outsider. I found this thread on all and clicked through without understanding it was an internal instance debate. Apologies for wading into your private debate... idk how private this is but I guess you can't hide threads on activitypub.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Defederate, and federate again if they find a cure 🔫

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

db0 isn't my home, but my 2¢:

Balkanization will be the death of Lemmy.

Most new lemmings don't know which server they should join when they come from Reddit. Many don't even understand Federation in the first place. Users that pick the "wrong" instance are collateral damage. Non-toxic communities get caught in the crossfire. It might even discourage servers from allowing political communities at all, since they present a risk of defederation. An already small community becomes smaller.

Also, the "Nazi Bar" problem (imo) should be reserved for fascists and bigots specifically, not all right-wing content in general: fascists because of the Paradox of Tolerance, and bigots because they're mutually exclusive with the targets of their bigotry.

Can't you just block specific communities, or de-list the server from search instead?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Voting against, as I don't believe that jumping directly to talk of defederation is the best option. This stance by OP, along with their suggested method of handling the recent blahaj-related posts to YPTB, gives me pause with regards to their admin status. They have not crossed the line into authoritarian behavior or admin abuse, but it does feel that they are toeing that line.

It is good and justified to spotlight these issues and bring them up for discussion and consensus, which is what OP has done in both cases, but I question the extreme suggestions made in each circumstance.

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