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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I wanted to like it for basically everything going for it - premise, Pattinson, Bong, sci-fi, “original” film - but came out pretty much as bitter as I have ever after a film. I’m not one to do it, but I was close to walking out on it.

There are some touches of what the film could have been, some moments maybe. But on the whole it felt like a train wreck where I’d bet that people knew on set that it just wasn’t going to work.

At some point I noticed there was a good amount of yelling from the actors (I’m wondering if that’s just me) and can’t help but suspect it was the director or actors trying to find energy in scenes that were struggling. Or maybe that happened in the edit. Then there’s Ruffulo and Collette’s satirical characters that just didn’t land and felt dumb and amateur (along with Poor Things, I’m thinking Ruffulo is just not good and “original” film makers would do well to stay away)

All up, I think it’s embarrassingly bad, or “objectively” bad. No real depth, no coherence or pacing or well directed momentum, much of the comedy doesn’t land, characters and plot often feel like afterthoughts, and it got boring too.

I think this movie review (from a pleasantly non-hype yt channel) says it better than I can.

What’s funny is I think a lot of people want this to be good. For the sake of original, fun, quirky, satirical films (and honestly, me too). But are stuck confronting a film that’s only making that situation worse not better and which represents the risks that studios need to accept not the successes they don’t understand).

Am I off here? I was pleased to find the review I linked as it seemed to match my thoughts.

EDIT - epilogue

And on the point about the fate of films … I saw this in the cinema (somewhat in support of original films) and dragged a friend too.

It was expensive. There was bad behaviour in the cinema (people taking photos with flash of each other!). And the film was bad, IMO, in a way that I feel people should have been more honest about (like I said, I think people wanted this to be good). Plus my friend doesn’t trust my choice in movies any more.

It’s really put me off going to the cinemas TBH. I’ll see how I end up feeling over time, but I think this might have been the straw that broke my back on the whole cinema thing. In part, sadly, because I don’t get how the film was that bad.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Mickey 17 was a fun sci-fi movie. Best I’ve seen? Hell no. But it was a good time. Solid flick… This is an insanely critical take. You don’t even give any good reasons other than it was bad cause I said so. Hardly “objective.” Like god damn, people are fuckin impossible to please.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Objective was quoted to signal that it’s a loaded term.

I mentioned a number of other things besides not liking it and linked to a review that mirrored my thoughts well.

I like plenty of films (Bong’s included).

As for a summary of “reasons”, I’d say it was thin on meaning and loud and discombobulated in its direction, dialogue, pacing and plotting beyond my threshold of enjoyment or even tolerance.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No. "Objectively bad," lol. At least make an attempt to distinguish your opinion from objective reality about a subjective medium.

I think it was pretty OK, not bad, a few odd pacing choices. The biggest flaw was how underdeveloped Kai was. She was set up in act 1, had a lot of screen time in act 2, then completely disappeared from existence for the entire last act except for one brief "oh yeah, here's Kai" shot at the end.

Some of the on-screen violence against the baby bugs was repugnant, but it was supposed to be, so I'll forgive it.

Otherwise I thought Pattinson did a great job realizing his characters and the overall plot worked pretty well as a movie, without being too simple or too complex.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Echoing others that this isn’t a horrible movie. I enjoyed the ride. If you want to watch a better version of this movie, maybe try Moon.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Interesting comparison. I think Mickey 17 is trying to be something different from Moon, with some overlapping themes. I’d say it’s more Starship Troopers and fifth element with moon-like themes.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

They are definitely different movies. I find Starship Trooper and Fifth Element’s humor to be a bit more of their time. The best thing I can compare it to quality wise would be like some of the Netflix movies that have come out in the last few years.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I struggled with Moon and actually thought it didn't live up to the word-of-mouth hype at all. 6/10 for me.

I think it was probably more momentous at the Sundance debut.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

It was a 6.5 that should have been an 8.

It’s a tragedy how expensive it was though. They’ll never give him this budget again.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It’s a tragedy how expensive it was though. They’ll never give him this budget again.

Yea this is partly why I posted, the “meta” story around the film is interesting (and sad) I think.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I watched it and I liked it.

End of my review.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I don't think it was as bad as you think. Overall it was okay. It felt like things happened the way they did because they had an ending they wanted to reach. I haven't read the book but I probably will since books are almost always better.

My biggest problem is when 17 fell into the hole and was left for dead due to how injured he was. A bit later (maybe an hour max?) after he got pushed out of the hole, he was sprinting and flailing his arms at the truck that brought him back to base.

The acting and special effects were pretty good in my opinion. The directing was bad. The editing could have been much better. I understand that movies strive to be as close to the book as possible but some things just don't work in both and should be removed.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I haven't seen the movie yet but enjoyed the books. They were fun and adventurous with some twists of having doppelgangers running around.

After just watching the electric state and being supremely disappointed at the direction they took, I'm not thrilled to be disappointed again with another movie messing up a good idea.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Yea that’s an interesting perspective (and obviously I’d recommend staying away from the film, I think it’d only frustrate you).

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

It was definitely flawed and could have been better, but I thought it was still pretty solid and enjoyable.

I thought the black comedy elements were fine.

I approached it as more of a "fairy tale for adults with satire" than a straight up scifi movie.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

It's a messy movie. I think a lot of the more current jokes/references are going to age badly like when Futurama came back and made iphone jokes to be topical.

That said, I really enjoyed 60% of it so gave it 3 stars on letterboxed. At least it tried something new in its genre mashups. My personal theory is that big Bong struggles to direct English language films like this and Snowpiercer because he misses a sense of how the script sounds to a native speaker.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yep agreed. On the English language thing, I suspected but don’t know enough about him and haven’t seen enough of his films to be confident enough to claim it. But it certainly seemed to me that the writing-directing-editing just was not landing at all. I think my problem is that I picked up on it fairly early on in the film and couldn’t stop it from distracting me from the films positives.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I hoped it would be better, but all in all I thought it was enjoyable

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah. I very much don't agree with some changes they made, particularly in making Mickey 17 an outright idiot and having such strong personality differences between Mickeys, but it was okay.

The problem was it could have easily been great, at a time we really needed some great messaging.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I only have one question for you; who did you vote for?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I’m not sure I understand you.

If this is a US politics thing … I’m not USian.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

What in OP's post makes you wonder that?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The thing that really got me thinking on it was that he never even mentioned that Mark Ruffalo is a very literal allegory for Trump. I find the most common way of criticizing anti-Trump art is to avoid acknowledging its relation to him, even if any other criticism you can give is fairly superficial. The Boys and Kendrick Lamar's halftime show come to mind as recent examples.

The movie was first and foremost a criticism of Trumpism and late-stage capitalism, the sci-fi setting was merely incidental. If you leave all that stuff out, yeah, of course it was a bland sci-fi movie, it was also about 10 minutes long!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I haven't seen it not heard about Ruffalo's character. Thank you for explaining!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Somehow I’m only seeing this reply now.

Like I said in a sibling response, I’m not from or in the US.

Otherwise, I was completely aware of what the character was a parody of. But I think that only contributed to my issues with the film.

Not because I’m a Trump supporter … I’m down for a parody of him any day, but because I don’t think it was done well or had anything to offer beyond what’s already out there generally … and yet, because it was a trump parody, we were all supposed to like or respect it?

If it was early or prescient (like, before 2016), sure, maybe, but in 2025, doing a trump thing without providing something meaningful and that helps us understand how he’s in power better, is probably a net negative TBH.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It’s a silly sci-fi flick that scratched an itch for me on the day that I watched it. I did not read about the movie before I watched it and thus had zero expectations.

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