Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] 322 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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    [–] 268 points 2 years ago*

    Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

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  • [–] 153 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

    shithead.

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  • [–] 137 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    "Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

    • Little Marco in a week
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  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

    If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

    Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

    We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

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    [–] 90 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn't be surprised.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    I would assume they're getting the Intel already. The entire administration is comprised of Russian assets and useful idiots. Even if the info isn't being handed to them directly, all the existing security is being ripped to shreds and the teams that would counter any threats have officially been told to ignore Russia completely.

    That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to publicly give Intel to Russia, but only because he's an idiot and assuming there is a low he won't sink to his always a losing bet.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't be surprised if we're already in a slow rollout for him to go public with support for Russia. The deal could be that Russia and US split Ukraine in some way, whether it stays as "Ukraine" with installed leadership or blatantly annexed.

    The problem is the maga cult and the Republicans in congress who would support it. The maga masses will lap up whatever propaganda they're fed like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter. But what the fuck are the Republican leadership thinking? At that point the US has fallen, but maybe it already has and we just don't know yet. But maybe not... time will tell.

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    [–] 87 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

    Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

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    [–] 64 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Likely true if we're being real but... You don't say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Ukraine is winning. That's why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.

    If your news isn't telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I'm not there, I don't get any input on the decision, but I'm absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn't ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    negotiator

    I don't believe that Rubio has earned that distinction in the slightest, even in a derogatory manner. In fact, I am pretty sure that he has only ever once walked onto a used car lot and that resulted in only two things happening. One, learning that he ought not walk onto a used car lot. And two, the true value of a high mileage Jeep.

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  • [+] 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (22 children)

    I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

    This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

    Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (20 children)

    Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

    Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What a massive piece of shit

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    No, it must not. If someone breaks into your house, is he allowed to keep the loot?

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Bin Laden defeated our freedom and Putin defeated our democracy.

    We're such a pathetic nation of pussies. Home of the brave has to be the most ridiculous line in any anthem ever.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The only territory that Ukraine has to cede is Kursk

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don't think the US really needs two of them.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
    The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a "reason" to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

    That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Not one inch.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    The US just decided that they're not part of the negotiations anymore

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