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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (5 children)

My own property is being extensively reworked to produce a majority of our vegetables. We have already put about 185m² 2,000ft²) under direct cultivation in the back yard, and intend to wrap that garden around the entire property to the full 400m² (4.300ft²) available.

In the end, I don’t expect to have a single blade of grass on the property. It’ll all be flowers, fruiting trees and canes and bushes, and vegetables. All done in a modified Ruth Stout method, with a variation of flat-ground Hügelkultur thrown in.

Let’s just say that Bylaw is already pissed off with me, and I’m not even halfway done yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

You have any helpful links that assisted you with setup? I've been toying the idea but the soil here is horrible. Basically 6 inches of crap soil on top of bedrock. Any help is appreciated as I'm brand new to the idea. I do have some bucket planters that were gifted but other than that not much to start with.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ruth Stout

You had me excited to find a better method. Then it was "find a cheap source of hay". Then you need a method to spread hay- which ain't easy. I'll stick with my cultivar which makes mulch in place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Then it was "find a cheap source of hay".

Many hay farmers will sell spoiled hay (unfit for animal consumption) for 50-25% of what you would pay for clean hay. Get evangelical about permaculture and the Ruth Stout method and some will just let you have spoiled hay for free.

Stables will frequently give spoiled hay away for free, except here you need to fork it up and pack it off by yourself, it won’t be baled for your convenience. Plus, a lot of bedding wasn’t meant to be eaten by the animals in the first place, and comes with embedded manure.

Remember, spoiled hay is spoiled. it’s not fit for feeding animals, and it’s not gonna be displayed in the Smithsonian as an example of premium hay. Many places that produce or consume hay just want to get rid of it, as it’s wholly undesirable for their main operations and just gets in the way.

Then you need a method to spread hay- which ain't easy.

Gesundheit? If you are complaining about spreading hay - and I can cover my existing 185m² in a single afternoon with ease - then gardening in general is not going to be up your alley. Spreading hay is not supposed to be difficult or laborious. If it’s baled, unbale it and use your hands to break off chunks and crush it to floof it up and simply drop it in place. If it isn’t baled, get a fork, spear the hay, walk over to the garden with the fork full, then just shake the fork to loosen the clumps and let them fall.

Like, you are doing this while standing upright, some time between October and March, long before the first plant gets planted. If your plants are already in the ground, you’re doing it the hard and needlessly difficult way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Fruit trees. It's the way to go. So much less work in the log run.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Kill that lawn! Let's fucking go!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s amazing to hear! If it’s possible and doesn’t doxx you, I’d love to see a picture or two

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. As a kid I would play street hockey with my friends although nowadays I don't see kids outside much. Sometimes kids are unlikely and live in an area with no other kids their age around.

  2. Yes. Lobbying by oil and car companies

  3. see above.

  4. See above.

  5. See above.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A lot of it also has to do with racism, and these days, people don't even know why zoning ordinances are the way they are. They can't defend them. They just assume that it's what people want and there must be some good reason for the zoning being the way it is (spoiler alert: nope, actually). This is one of the ripest, and probably lowest-hanging fruits in terms of achieving QOL improvements in North America.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

tbf I do know many suburban families that grow a lot in their backyard, although I'm sure there are places with more strict rules around that.

otherwise very valid questions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Land of freedom:

Can I grow potato in my own garden?

-No.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Is this true? You can't grow vegetables in your backyard? Why tho? If true it sounds dumb to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of houses are subject to a Home Owners Association (HOA). They often can make ridiculous rules, including kicking you out of your own home for violating whatever rules they made. They can tell you how your garden looks like, which color your house is allowed to have, can fine you for parking on the road...

The rules are usually designed around keeping up the "value" of the neighborhood by forbidding any sort of individuality in how your garden and house looks from the outside. Sterile and boring is what investors want, to evaluate a neighborhood with a high price.

These kind of organizations make sense for apartment buildings, where you need to organize the upkeep of the overall building, but for suburbs they seem to be mostly an investor too and then a tool for whoever wants to keep themselves busy, terrorizing their neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

I get the front garden but the back garden too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

These kind of organizations make sense for apartment buildings, where you need to organize the upkeep of the overall building

Yeah this makes sense, but, in my country, this only applies to common areas of the building, and there's civil law around what can/can not be agreed in assembly.

Are those HOS an assembly with equal voting rights? Or is there weight on shareholders votes based on amount of squares owned? Or something else completely? I'm genuinely interested if you can enlighten me. Or I can research it when I get more time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Since I found out about the neighborhood association, I've been rather suspicious of this land of the free.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I moved to a suburb in a country with unbearable heat yet because of how the suburbs are designed, I still walk more than when I did in the US. Everything from barbershops and grocery stores, to pharmacies and bakeries are within a 10 minute walk. Though I usually wait until night fall to do so.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Philippines. Hell, sounds like just about every other sane place on the planet.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The front and back yards are there to increase pervious cover. That's it.

I work in municipal development and have worked in dense areas, suburbs, and now work in an enclave for the ultra-rich (average new house is about 7 million dollars in the city where I work). Every single developer wants to level all the trees and build as much on the lot as possible with zero pervious cover anywhere, and they don't give the smallest fuck about flooding the downhill neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, you guys are tearing out parking lots and removing parking minimums, right?

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

As a non driving eastern European, living a few months in a Colorado suburb was literally one of the most depressing times of my life.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 2 days ago (22 children)

The answer to all questions is racism. We don't have public transportation because it became illegal to forbid African Americans access, we don't have public parks and services, because you can no longer have ''whites only'' signs up, we don't have stores in these areas because you can't stop immigrants from owning stores that whites see as 'beneath them' to work in, farming your own yard is trashy, because slaves were only allowed to farm food for themselves in small plots right next to the shacks they were allowed to sleep in, and why do we have remote single housing areas you can only access with cars that are over priced? To get away from the black people they could no longer red line to prevent living near them, and to create school districts non whites couldn't be zoned for as they were priced out of the districts, and then they adjusted school funding so it was based on land value effectively creating whites only schools with high funding. As the white racist mom in the 70s who was upset about bussing said ''if you let your kids grow up around theirs, eventually they'll all start to mix''

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