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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago

https://dev.to/mdchaney/cobol-dates-may-20-1875-and-disinformation-5ggh

  1. There is no "date" data type in COBOL. Dates are stored however the programmer wants, but usually numeric character strings
  2. There's no "default" date, even if there were such a data type
  3. Even if there were a default, 1875 would be a bizarre choice

That (obviously) doesn't mean Elon Musk is right. It just means that this explanation of it being some magical COBOL epoch value is wrong. What's more likely is that the Social Security database is very old and has a lot of iffy data in it.

My guess is that it contains everybody who has ever had a social security record, including all the duplicates, all the typos, and everything else. At some point there were probably hundreds of thousands of records that were transcribed from paper into a computer, and it was considered safer to keep the iffy data and make a plan to deal with it later, vs. remove someone from the database who should legitimately be there.

I would also imagine that the systems that take the records out of the DB probably have filters in place that remove the (known) bad records before they're used.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Isn't "embarrassing and dangerous" their whole strategy?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I keep hearing that gen Z is actually pretty shit with understanding things outside GUIs.

And now I’m watching it actively destroy my country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I get this feeling too, but then again can we blame them? With all the locked down tech these days you really have to get out of your way to learn. And in most cases it works well enough. Whereas people growing up between lets say the 1970-2000s had to muck around with their tech to get it to work. Thus learning the intricacies while using it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How dare you question the wisdom of Big Balls and his peers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Dangerous like an epileptic deer with 15 pairs of scissors taped to its head and body

[–] [email protected] 47 points 21 hours ago

Less of a generational problem, more of an educational one. Selfish, badly educated grifters that got pushed into high offices can be of any age. Musk also didn't recognize SQL when he looked at it, which is arguably even more funny.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I’m gen z, I use Vim, and I voted for Kamala. Guess all those VS Code kids voted Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

learn Cobol you uneducated teenagers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

SUBTRACT DATE FROM YEAR GIVING AGE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

It's all about WORKING STORAGE if you ask me.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The actual payment system stops payments automatically at age 115 and requires manual verification to restart. The database that is being reported is not even a report of who is getting paid.

This is just dramatic, public evidence of the arrogance and incompetence of DOGE from down to his racist younglings.

For a while, I thought they would at least be good at technology. This episode shows that even that is not true.

How he chose this elite group of chuckleheads is an eyebrow raiser. Other than racism, they seem to have no credentials at all. I mean, on brand for this administration I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

They dont care they want to take all the ss money its that simple

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Found the link to the SSA page describing the policy which took effect in 2015.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The question is, how do you not know the age of a recipient? I feel like that's kinda required to know, no?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There are many people who were born in developing nations during times of war who do not know their exact age. They usually do have an idea of a range though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

Ah, well that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Jesus fucking christ the interns who have neither seen nor heard of COBOL have also not encountered the concept of a sentinel value used as a fallback/default.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
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